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Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter

2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·

#525352
Yep... you read correctly... I want to hotwire a 1700 type 4 motor in a '72 bay. 😂

No, I don't intend on stealing one to add to the collection, it's just that this particular bay is an abandoned project that I can get my hands on fairly cheap but the catch is it needs a lot of work...

Being a half done project, the electrical system from the firewall forward is totally FUBAR!... both ignition barrels (yes.. there are two! :duh) are as good as useless, and I dont feel like fecking around with trying to work out somenbody's bodgy wiring just to see if the engine still runs! 👎

Pod briefly skipped over how to do it in a thead on BWM, but it didnt make too much sense to me... can anyone give me an idiot-proof and detailed account of precisely what i need to do to start this sucker (hopefully!)?? 😘

Kieran
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#525361
run a posetive wire from battery to posetive coil.Crawl under and bridge the starter so it turns over.If it's in gear you will get run over.Always easier with 2 people,one to work the throttle and the other as road kill.

[ Edited on 22-8-06 by Mick H ]
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#525372
Hi Michael,
Its a bit dangerous to start the engine under the car...
I jacked My car up to do it, first time I had it on the road
wondered why it was trying to get off the jack...
Turned out it was in gear... [auto lock out]
Lucky I'm still here... Lee

Yes,
as Micheal said, hook the + on the coil to the + on the battery..
that will get the ignition on... hopefully the fuel cutoff on the carby is connected to the coil...
then run a wire from the small terminal on the starter motor solenoid...
when You touch the other end of the wire on the + on the battery...
the starter motor should work...
and hopefully it will start OK...

I presume You don't want to use any switches to do this

Lee

- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#525375
If any bays are stolen....

It wasn't Me...

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#525379
quote]Originally posted by 68AutoBug
Hi Michael,
Its a bit dangerous to start the engine under the car...
I jacked My car up to do it, first time I had it on the road
wondered why it was trying to get off the jack...
Turned out it was in gear... [auto lock out]
Lucky I'm still here... Lee

[/b] [/quote]

Hence "ROADKILL" ...with a Kombi if yer not a phat bloke like myself you can actually lay lengthways from the back as a safety measure,so if it starts it only destroys the house in front of it ,but you won't get hurt,unless you're not the owner...common sence prevails with this one guys/girls unless you wanna be a "Darwin" award winner..:sandrine
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Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter

2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·

#525397
Thanks lads... you guys rock! :kiss

Yeh Lee, no switches works for me... installing switches takes extra time heheheeh. 😂
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#525514
i know batteries are right beside the motor in a kombi but in bug to save running a wire alway the way from under the seat just go from the B+ on the alternator to the coil 15 conection
this only works on bugs with alternators tho
in which case u'd have a steering lock to contend with aswell

are the wires from the ign switch still there?
u could just join the battery lead to the ign lead then touch the starter wire to it to kick it over

used to regularly loose my sbugs key LOL

-Joel

Purple Martin Fahrvergnugen

913 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·

#525727
DUB74L wrote:this only works on bugs with alternators tho
in which case u'd have a steering lock to contend with aswell
Not on my '59, it has an alternator but no steering lock :P

That's a very handy tip, thanks!
1959 red & white Beetle
1975 Kombi camper

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#525731
Hi

If your car still has the VW diagnoses plug wired up you can then bridge the starter from there. #50 is the terminal for the starter solenoid and battery power is availble at terminal +

Steve

Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter

2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·

#525768
ah cool!... now that IS an interesting piece of 'fo! 😎
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#525854
Purple Martin wrote:
DUB74L wrote:this only works on bugs with alternators tho
in which case u'd have a steering lock to contend with aswell
Not on my '59, it has an alternator but no steering lock :P

That's a very handy tip, thanks!
after only ever working on bugs with gennys i found out hard way when taking the air cleaner off when i first got my 74 home
rubber boot was missing off the B+ terminal and me not watching what i bumped the socket on

u work out the rest LOL

-Joel

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#525917
Now I know what the rubber boot is for Joel...:P:P

I was going to suggest the alternator + bolt
but it may not be even connected to the battery...
this Isn't a road going car...
it has two ignition switches ...
and neither work....

the other way is easiest and safest...

although standing behind a VW that starts off and goes down the street... is pretty Safe..?

leaning over the battery, while the VW goes down the street, isn't :P:P:P

Anyway,
Any Kombis gone missing yet ?? :P:P:P


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I Must install an alarm in My beetle
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Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#525921
rip out the wires that go into the ignition, then start touching them together, one by one.. thats the way to do it in a hurry.
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