56 oval rag

BUGBOY · 2005-08-08T10:27:53+00:00

After selling my 56 oval I thought i'd remove all the details I had about it from this topic. I now will just post info about the project I'd been working on. Its another 56 oval 🤪 Have a few beers and get out the angle grinder. I find this settles the nerves.

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#543468

looking great Nathan.....body filler is hard enough work for me! that lead wiping is really impressive..

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#543550

beautiful. automotive craftsmanship.

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#543552

could you give us a quick one two on lead wiping? how does it work? how do you do it?

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#551186

I only had one correct oval bonnet( different pressing ) to fit this car. The bonnet I used came of an oval I got a few years ago which had been rolled.
The bonnet has had about 15 hours work put into it so far but it should come up really nice.It had no rust but need a few dents and creases taken out.

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#557470

seat belt mounts are all now fitted and finished.:thumb

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The roof is all done.
as its a 60's beetle roof clip and the oval roof clip is a different shape it needed a lot of work at the front edge as an oval screen is lower than a 60's beetle.

Also the rear got a little lead.

[ Edited on 13-12-2006 by BUGBOY ]

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2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Dec 2006, 8:42 pm

#557476

The bonnet is the one that came off a rolled oval I had.
It needed heaps of work but as it had no rust it was all I had to work with.
15 hours work and it now looks like this.:thumb

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#557480

wow!

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#557489

The only hit this car had was in the front passenger side.
The side of the front clip was stuffed.
I was going cut it off and weld on another, but finding another proved a lot harder than I thought.
So after lots of beating and heaps of shrinking its all back to the correct shape.
The whole tire well was taken out and fixed and then put back in during this process.

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#557491

All the carpet clamps have also been removed and remade due to some rust.
I also wanted to see what it was like under the clamps.
No rust so the new ones where spot welded back on.

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2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Dec 2006, 9:12 pm

#557494

The rear clip is finished.
It been made so I can unbolt it for ease of engine removal.
It bolts on with the last two bolts of rear guards on each side and two inner bolt on each side on the inside.

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2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Dec 2006, 9:27 pm

#557508

Picked up some rear guards at the Day of the Volkswagen.
Will start work on these real soon and then I can check the work on the rear apron etc.

I have doors and front guards and will also be starting on them soon.

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#557517

Damn thats lookin good.....

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#557584

as always beautiful work.

if possible i'd love some more info on what was needed to get the front of the ragtop clip to fit as eventually i'd love a golde oval but my chances of finding an original aren't too good.

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henry.

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#557595

Wow! This is going to be sooooo sweet when its finished! Well done:thumb

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2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 21 Dec 2006, 8:24 am

#559393

whatnow wrote:as always beautiful work.

if possible i'd love some more info on what was needed to get the front of the ragtop clip to fit as eventually i'd love a golde oval but my chances of finding an original aren't too good.

thanks
henry.

Chances or finding a goldie oval are very small here.
But you can do what I've done here and fit an early 60's beetle roof clip.
The rag top is correct size etc for a 56-57 oval and having all round corners etc.
These are know as two fold.
A three fold which is is whats in an early 50's have round and square corners and are also bigger.

The problem with fitting a 60's clip into an oval is the fact that the oval has a lower front roof section.(smaller screen)
This was why its fully welded in.

If I was ever to fit a 60's to a 60's beetle etc I would have unrolled the gutters and fitted the whole roof etc and only welded the front pillars and rear.

The problems with welding one in is all the work afterwards. I cut the roof and made it a perfect fit before welding, that way I had no extra metal.
It was all knocked back into shape.
This is where the problems begin.
The front corners sit up to high and the front edge of the clip I had cut right back which seemed to pull down ok.
The corners where tacked in and then tapped down.
After it was all fully welded the front corners where heated and shrunk and a few hours of hammering and some lead was used.They came up really good.
There is not a huge differences in the clips but if your not aware of it you could run into problems with making it look right.
There are heaps of ways to fit roof clips but in this case
I think you do you would need to fully weld the clip as that way you know the corners will never move.:thumb

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#559811

thanks for the above.

a few questions.

which way was the most amount of shaping needed? front to back (blue arrows)? or side to side (purple)? of equal on both?

i am assuming you cut the clip approx along the red line. if you were doing it again would you cut it there or cut it at the front of the roll (green), weld it from underneath and reform the reverse curve at the base of the roll with lead?
what about the corners, cut them square or follow something aproximating the black line?

was there much/any reshaping needed in the centre of the roof (yellow)?

do you know if the front plate in the sunroof will need reshaping or will the padding on the leading edge have enough give to avoid this.

thanks again and please pardon the shonky photoshop lines. i realized after i had finished that being left handed and using the mouse with my right hand = messy.

[ Edited on 22-12-2006 by whatnow ]

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The area marked with the blue and purple was the hardest. The yellow area was fine. I cut well clear of the black line you marked as that way it was clear underneath to work on and cut all four corners round when fitting as this will make it easy to fit.
I cut the front round and the rear square.
But when trying to weld the rear corners it pulled out of shape really easy.
If you look back a few pages you'll see it all being cut and welded etc.

[ Edited on 23-12-2006 by BUGBOY ]

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#563003

great work so far! Dont mean to chime in, I did the 60's ragtop clip into my '59. What bugboy said is exactly right, I cut roughly a few inches around the opening, not too far otherwise you could not get to the underside of the joint after you welded it (so you could beat it if you needed) The corners (particularly the rear corners) tended to pop outwards a bit and needed a fair bit of work to get it nice and flat. If you trudge through the archives you can find my thread "black betty". dasddubber did the same thing as well.

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2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Jan 2007, 10:18 am

#565007

Stripped all the floor pan and sent off to be sand blasted.
came back looking good, have a few small repairs to do but nothing to bad.

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2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Jan 2007, 10:21 am

#565008

Have to do the battery tray , as you can see it has some fibreglass work done.
Looks neat but I prefer metal.:thumb

Two small pin holes and the old clutch cable repair trick.
No sure if I'll leave the hole and make a cap to cover or fill it in and replace cables the correct way. LOL:P

[ Edited on 17-1-2007 by BUGBOY ]

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#565011

Once the pans all fixed I better get onto the gear box and mounts etc

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#565013

I'll be welding up all the seat belt mount holes in the floor as I have now fitted them to the body like a 60's beetle.
I'll be mounting the centre buckles to the tunnel.

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#565030

wow Nath, you've been busy! Great to see you overcome those problems with the ragtop..

I think leaving that hole in the tunnel and making a cover for it will be good.. being able to access that area is invaluable I reckon... esp from experience...

top job- keep it up mate

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2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Jan 2007, 5:18 pm

#566345

Fitted the old rag top today to do a final check on the way it sits at the front.
Have to say i'm pleased how it came out.
Looks like it will seal up nice.:thumb

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2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Jan 2007, 5:21 pm

#566346

Put the pan on the frame and started cleaning a bit more and added some POR 15.
Have left out the spots that need some work.

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2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Jan 2007, 5:24 pm

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Note the front mount where the beam goes.
This is the only extra bit needed to fit the pan to the frame.

These are some of the bits that need some work.

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#566351

Lookin good Nath, can't wait to see it in the flesh!

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#566357

Still have to remove old belt holes and few other odds:thumb
Also the battery tray needs work, I think I'll cut one from another car and weld it in.

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Just finished cutting up an old 59 beetle that i had and as it turned out it just supplied me with a replacement battery tray. LOL
Work has stopped on this car at the moment (again :o:o)
due to no room to work.
Need to sort out a few unwanted cars and parts.
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