Hi Alan,
There is no harm in mounting the turbo low and running a pump. Lots of people do it and thats what I am doing. A 4x4 accessories shop has pumps for external oil coolers that are fine. The only problem is you dont want to draw out too much oil and suck the turbo dry so I have got a little tank 180long x 30 round that I am gravity draining the turbo into and then sucking the oil form there. I am returning my oil into the rocker cover and letting it drain down the pushrod tubes back into the sump.
When you actually look under your apron there is a fair bit on room undre there to stuff bits + this way you could leave your oil filter where it is.
As for your exhaust manifold, you would have to do a bit of a bend towards the center of the car as the exhaust side of the turbo is on that side and work out your intake plumbing before you start anything but of you base your turbo there and your intakes at the top make up the inbetween.
I used a ton of cardboard, masking tape and PVC pipe to work mine out and I think this all pays of cause you arn't wasting money building thing 2 - 3 times.
I will get under my car and have a think for you,
heath
C'mon kids gather round,
there's a new sensation hitting town,
It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.
Thanks again Heath - the filter will be remote mounted anyway as I will be running a spin on adaptor that allow me to take a line in/out to and back from the oil cooler (plus remote mounted filter).
With your "turbo oil drain tank", you don't think the pump will over-scavenge that? I have no idea what sort of flow those pumps push out so the question may be a dumb one.
No they dont scavenge that much, do some research on the nissan GTR's R32's I think they use some kind of pump to suck oil out there diffs into a cooler. This is similar to what you want but they are exy!
Heath
C'mon kids gather round,
there's a new sensation hitting town,
It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.
but they are exy!
I hate when I hear that :P
Alan, rather than "cut" up your extractors, just build on from the stub pipes that you've already got. It'll be easier, rather than trying to reconfigure the extractors. Even if you sold the extractors, the money you'd get for them would buy you enough pipe and mandrels to build a custom setup for your application and you won't have to worry about drain tanks......
Cheers
Hi Al,
This is the first time I have seen this thread. Car looks good. What times are you aiming for ?
Rod.
Hey Rod,
Ultimatley I would love to reach a high 11 second pass but I doubt I will reach that with the current 2L type IV combo. I am going to have to keep the heads, valves, rods and crank all fairly standard and therefore limit boost with a smaller turbo.....but anyway, time will tell. I am still hoping to have it done by warwick - lot of work to do and too little money but I'll keep trying 🙂
Alan
Any more thoughts with the turbo placement/ Arrangement?
Heath
C'mon kids gather round,
there's a new sensation hitting town,
It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.
Heath I am still seriously considering keeping the extractors in their original form (as you suggested) - and running the turbo behind the rear valence (like a hideaway system ala CB performance). I am doing a bit of research on oil scavenge pumps which are designed for a turbo application (ie. damn hot oil) - this is one I found (not in oz though):
US$275 from this place:
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/oilsystems.htm
Any other leads would be appreciated!
Also doing some more research on intake design and plenum construction for a single throttle body application....hopefully once I can work through some design issues, I can start playing around with the actual parts (which I have to save some more $ for as well!).
Alan
Alan,
Ring a 4x4 place near where you live and ask them what they use for a scavenge pump when they fit external oil coolers to there engines / gearboxes. I have heard this would be more than sufficient. remember It doesn't need to be mega pressure as its not forcing the oil into anything just the rocker cover, I will ring my turbo guyand ask him tomorrow what I am exactly using and let you know. I would do the hide away system if I was you, your almost half way there but each to there own. Are you going to make your apron removable with this one? I have been thinking about it with mone. So hard getting it in and out all the time.
heath
C'mon kids gather round,
there's a new sensation hitting town,
It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.
Yeah apron will definitely be removable (the original apron is pretty shagged anyway (big dent and crease) so I don't feel too bad cutting it off!
I shall ring a few 4x4 places and get a better idea of oil scavenge pump costs.
Cheers for the help.
C'mon kids gather round,
there's a new sensation hitting town,
It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.
You may want to also keep an eye on this, exactly our dialemma:
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=108685C'mon kids gather round,
there's a new sensation hitting town,
It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.
Hey Alan,
I love your new ride. What is the colour? I've come across that colour so many times.
The BRMs and steering wheel are cool and so are the blinds and the roof rack.
As much as I'd like to see a cal-look donk in the car I'm sure you'll do a killer turbo conversion that will have us all drooling over this post.
How do you find the handling with the swinger and the narrowed beam compared with your rag top?
Regards
CT
esratrams
Hey CT - thanks for the kind words! I have no idea of colour as it was resprayed quite some years before I took ownership and it is not the original colour.
In terms of handling the rag had a swinger too so the rear end is comparable. Apart from the skinny tyres up front I feel the narrowed beam doesn't adversely affect cornering too much on normal street driving (remembering it only has a 36hp engine at the moment!). The rag had a 80mm narrowed beam as well but since I had to run spacers with the ET52 17in wheels, it sufferred a bit in the handling. Damo who now owns the car took the spacers and 17in wheels off and runs 16in Fuchs and it handles a heap better than when I owned it!
My primary aim for this oval is to go fast in a straight line....I'm slowly working through the details of the turbo and EFI (see drag section if interested) and when I finish the research and save some coin, I'll start doing some actual work! Hopefully it will be up and running by warwick!
ct i think the colours you are thinking of are mandalay ivory on 54/55's and coastal ivory 56/58 or surfers white 56/57.
i like those colours... my first car was either coastal or surfers.
henry.
My car started off as a similar colour. Mind you, I'm assuming the top coat wasn't the original since it was applied with a paint brush. The picture below shows the japanese tuner-style black bonnet before they even invented the look.
I really like the cream colour/s for a sleeper. Light blue would be my next choice.
I can't believe they actually varied the colour between the model years; it's like Richie Beneau's jacket, as the 12th man says, it's beige, ivory,off-white, cream and bone.
esratrams
I think I have chosen the colour for its respray (whenever that will happen)....but I'll keep it under wraps until its done!
I won't be painting it though until the drivetrain is sorted - otherwise you have to worry about scratching paint during the trial fits of bits and pieces!
This is shaping up to be a ripper of a thread.Can't wait to see how the old girl comes up.I pulled the 2110 out of the Rag the other day,damn main seals,and I'm still amazed at the perfection that greets me under the car.I have to say I am glad I didn't sell it!If you ever need a hand Alan just give me a call anytime.
Cheers
Damo
Cheers Damo. Although I understand if you had to sell it, I was secretly glad you held onto it as I know you'll give it the use it deserves but still look after it! I bet you are glad for the removable rear apron after pulling the engine again!
Although the oval will never be as detailed or as pretty as the ragtop, hopefully the sting in the tail will make up for it 🙂
Dasdubber wrote:Although the oval will never be as detailed or as pretty as the ragtop, hopefully the sting in the tail will make up for it 🙂
Famous last words
🙂 hehe
I reckon if you understand detail then it's in your blood, and this oval will be no different :thumb
Cheers
Alan give me a call and you can come up to my brother's place(Beenleigh) and have a look at the set up he has exhaust wise and also the intake set up CES did for his car in detail. Might give you the insight into something suited for the oval.
cheers mate:thumb
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Cheers Brendan - will have a chat soon!
Nothing too exciting to report - just been putting around in the oval to and from work, my wife loves it but is not overly fussed with the roller pedal (must have sensitive feet?).
Turbo (T03) will be coming from WA shortly (thanks humpty), as well as PWR water to air intercooler from Cairns (cheers Ian and thanks for all the behind the scene help with the thousand questions I ask), plus Sway A Way axles should be here from the US before Easter as well as super diff and heavy duty side plate (thanks Rod Penrose).
Still finalising the gearbox case and internals - hopefully over the next week I'll have that sorted so come easter-ish, it's rebuild can start (cheers to dangerous!).
So no pics as nothing has changed. Wish I had more money - things could happen faster! 🙁
Dasdubber wrote:Wish I had more money - things could happen faster! 🙁
Likewise! :P
Good luck with it all Alan, can't wait to see the finished product!
Das i have been reading a lot about a 1971 type 4 turbo on Raby's forum, they suggest not to use ths stock pistons as they cant handle any more than 11psi befor the ring lands collapse and suggest a J&E piston, also the rod bearings used on the 71 crank need to be upgraded due to load points on the crank beeing affected under boost. As for an oil pump i have seen stick shift auto beetle pump used as they supply oil to the engine and also to the tranny to help gear change, with this pump they simply blocked the inlet return from the tranny and used the outlet to feed oil to the turbo and then it could return to the sump after lubing the turbo from all accounts it worked great. Another suggestion is to use a 71mm crank with type 1 journals then the use of a wiseco 94 piston could be used, a 71mm crank with type 1 journals non counterweighted is only $300 US, you don't need counterweights on a type 4 crank cause the are very tough an dont whip like type 12 crank and dont oval the main bearing bores. Something for you to ponder mate. Cheers Damo.
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Another TIV!.... Oh my god Alan... When will you learn?..... Huh!... But seriously mate.... Best of luck to you and the project.... If its anything like the last one, this baby should be a load of fun.... As for turbo charging a TIV.... Maybe you should have a chat to Hermann (ADOLF on here).... He's pretty full bottle on making those things make power, both turbo'd and NA....
Cheers for the info/advice Damo and Simon....I think initially I am trying to build this on as tight a budget as possible (without risking it going off like a hand grenade). As I accumulate a few more parts I'll start posting some pics especially as I pull down the current engine to check bearings, change cam etc.
Well as mentioned above (somewhere), looks like I will be leaving the headers in the standard configuration and hide the turbo behind the rear apron. PWR cooler arrived today (thanks Ian) - once I accumulate some more parts I will start working out the plumbing positioning!
Type III drums will adorn the rear:
Well there is a first time for everything....like learning how to weld and paint on the ragtop, I've decided its time to start building engines.
Here is the type IV which was in the ragtop (thanks again to Damo for allowing me to hang onto it!)....prior to disassembly.
Ran out of time today so only got it to this stage:
The plan is to change the cam and lifters, check all bearings, despite the rings all looking spot on, I may consider better rings due to the addition of boost. Until funds improve I figure I'll tinker with the stuff that will just cost me time (like having a go at headwork - ala Daimo (dumone) who inspired me to give it a crack).
It is not going to be perfect (esp since I don't have access to flow bench etc), but I am using this entire engine as a learning process so I am not expecting perfection!
