amazeer Bishop of Volkswagenism
3,029 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·
now abbot has quit the lib leader race. Nobody wants the the wheel of the sinking ship! Maybe there is a position available for an AVD member!
"LABOUR"................Ruddy Hell !
Hertz www.melburgluft.com
1,080 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·
Old enough to see what many have become blind to.. And certainley old enough to vote. Im a touch left wing, as I am a paid member of the Socialist Party of Australia, But I'd sooner Rudd than Howard anyday.pod wrote:🤪 i thought he described the liberals quite accurately!!!😂🤘bugDbug wrote:I wonder how old is Hertz???? Not old enough to know enough about politics obviously
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phatratpat Fahrvergnugen
958 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·
this is the most interesting the forum has been for ages !
love a good debate !😁
love a good debate !😁
h fractals - an ever changing lifestyle
7,671 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·
true that but where does the money come from..?1303Steve wrote:Hih wrote:hmmm massive surpluses n underfunded education and heath services..
Thats a state issue
Steve
you guessed it.. the feds who directly tax us with our consent 🤪 (ahh democracy)
the notion of massive surpluses stored up for an election fighting fund paid by us totally pisses me off as i'd want to see our money given to where it is needed
n if the states (thank god for the states) deliver the services to us then so be it, fund it and get on with it..
the issue of raising the gst will have to go be4 the senate be4 it could be raised n if it did the rudd govt would become a one term wonder..
after all the years of recalsitrant assholes telling us what to do IMO i think there is more at stake than a one term government on offer..
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Cam Custom Title Time!
1,535 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Good call, Steve!1303Steve wrote:....The media made a big deal about Kev driving his son to school in his Prias, a car that doesn't produce much pollution now, but it would have made heaps when being produced, my old bug must be carbon neutral now it was made so long ago.
Always been my argument for driving planet warming old clunkers (well maintained, good airbox, exhaust & running on unleaded). It's all about your enviromental footprint.
Just to go off topic
crewcabconnection Being Sid James
1,922 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·
"This is the Toyota Prius ... it has two engine, neither of them are very good" ... Clarkson.1303Steve wrote:Hih wrote:hmmm massive surpluses n underfunded education and heath services..
Thats a state issue, but NSW has been spewing about the huge slice of the GST pie that Qld gets in comparison.
Maybe now that we have comrades in all states and federally as well, we will get a GST rise?
The media made a big deal about Kev driving his son to school in his Prias, a car that doesn't produce much pollution now, but it would have made heaps when being produced, my old bug must be carbon neutral now it was made so long ago.
Anyway we all treating this like a big football match and how great our teams are etc. I just hope that Australia is winner.
Neither party did say anything about infrastructure for the future, lets hope we get something going on water conservation and not build silly desalination plants like Morris Dilemma is doing in NSW.
Steve
Well we had the fed minister woman in at school today for all of an hour. Had no fkin idea what a computer was, let alone how they should be used....best of all, when she showed up, the boss asked everyone in the staff room to stand and congratulate her on the win. WTF, maybe stand for the Queen or Kiera Knightly, half the staff stood and walked.
Same shit different snout in the feeding trough.
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi
Can I just say that I'm really proud the way that this debate has been handled on this forum, not much name calling or crap, just good honest debate, well done everyone.
I'm a trade union member, today we knocked back an EA, which frankly stunk. This EA would most likely have got through if the Libs were still in. As the Liberal party adds said "were back"
Tonight I heard the republican debate got a mention on the radio, I suppose because Kev is a republican and Malcolm Turnbull who may become the next opposition leader was the head of the republican movement this had to surface.
Next they will want to change the flag, again.
How long do you reckon until the 1st boat is spotted of our North western coast?
Steve
Can I just say that I'm really proud the way that this debate has been handled on this forum, not much name calling or crap, just good honest debate, well done everyone.
I'm a trade union member, today we knocked back an EA, which frankly stunk. This EA would most likely have got through if the Libs were still in. As the Liberal party adds said "were back"
Tonight I heard the republican debate got a mention on the radio, I suppose because Kev is a republican and Malcolm Turnbull who may become the next opposition leader was the head of the republican movement this had to surface.
Next they will want to change the flag, again.
How long do you reckon until the 1st boat is spotted of our North western coast?
Steve
Spook Driving the 64 wheeler
1,168 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Strangely, only a couple of libs have figured out that you can't piss off almost the entire workforce & then win a popularity contest.
Howard, yesterday, still doesn't accept work choices (or lack of) was his downfall.
Bring on the republic. But we've had a true Australian flag since the Eureka stockade.
Howard, yesterday, still doesn't accept work choices (or lack of) was his downfall.
Bring on the republic. But we've had a true Australian flag since the Eureka stockade.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
56astro Custom Title Time!
1,772 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
The Kooris would disagreeSpook wrote:But we've had a true Australian flag since the Eureka stockade.
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·
I agree................that's why I started it !!😂phatratpat wrote:this is the most interesting the forum has been for ages !
love a good debate !😁
amazeer Bishop of Volkswagenism
3,029 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·
I was at my mother's last week and asked her why she had a NZ flag flying from her balcony. She had no idea it wasnt an aussie one. I had to point out the differences 👎
The Bigfella Officially Full-On Dubber
284 posts · joined Sep 2007 ·
I spent some time in Parliament House just before the election was called. The rumour doing the rounds was that Labor was planning to double the capital gains tax - nothing substantiated ..... but who knows?
Good call to put Penny Wong in the Ministry - she's one of their brightest (better than Julia)
Good call to put Penny Wong in the Ministry - she's one of their brightest (better than Julia)
Spook Driving the 64 wheeler
1,168 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
So we ought to go for a flag that represents a conquered race? I don't think so.56astro wrote:The Kooris would disagreeSpook wrote:But we've had a true Australian flag since the Eureka stockade.
I refuse to fly the Australian flag while ever it has a foreign insignia in the corner.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
56astro Custom Title Time!
1,772 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I never said that either.Spook wrote:So we ought to go for a flag that represents a conquered race? I don't think so.
I think the flag issue may be on the agenda though, as suggested earlier.
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Wild1 Wolfsburg Wizard
448 posts · joined Jun 2006 ·
For what it's worth, as soon as the Queen falls off her perch the republic issue will be on the agenda, and I think it's about time!
syncropro Casual Dubber
44 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·
Yep, there must always be some issue to keep us divided56astro wrote:I never said that either.Spook wrote:So we ought to go for a flag that represents a conquered race? I don't think so.
I think the flag issue may be on the agenda though, as suggested earlier.
Liberal/Labour - Ford/Holden - This flag- that flag, on and on, etc,etc.
Can anyone imagine what it would be like if everyone
was united.👍
StenGuns Veteran Volks Folk
2,147 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·
So Aboriginals united around a flag prior to British colonisation? Isn't the "Flag" an idea that would have been unknown to them?
I'm no expert on the Australian indigenous people but others I have studied had a concept of land as; "use of land", eg; fishing use, cultivation use, gathering use which allowed many tribes to share the same piece of dirt according to tribal "rights".. "Ownership of Land" by the individual is a very western concept
In terms of the union jack in the corner.. we have to remember that the great majority of immigration from the 2nd half of the 20th Century onwards, was by people that were leaving their home country due to economic hardship, political instability, wars, the rule of the gun etc..
They came to Australia (and other commonwealth countries) as it had a) freedom b) opportunity and (most importantly) c) a stable system of government, laws and social conventions that gave one thing above all others... SAFETY.. Safety to bring up families without government sponsored invasions of your home, in the middle of the night and dragging off your father, son, daughter.. never to be seen again.. Or your 12 year old son walking to the shops for bread only to be shot dead by occupying troops..Think about it for a moment.. Think of all the countries where this is daily life.. In the last 10 years count the number of atrocities that we watch on TV from far away and then go and bag our own country because we can't afford a home.. Fucks sake guys, this country owes a lot to that union jack in the corner.. And I'll never forget it.. Most people that bag our history, our origins and our strengths, are the same people that scream first at the slightest hint of social injustice in their own tiny worlds.. Think about it.. Don't rush to change.. What we have is precious and well worth preserving.. That is why it is the envy of many.. That is why people die to defend it..
my 2c.. I'll get off the box now..
I'm no expert on the Australian indigenous people but others I have studied had a concept of land as; "use of land", eg; fishing use, cultivation use, gathering use which allowed many tribes to share the same piece of dirt according to tribal "rights".. "Ownership of Land" by the individual is a very western concept
In terms of the union jack in the corner.. we have to remember that the great majority of immigration from the 2nd half of the 20th Century onwards, was by people that were leaving their home country due to economic hardship, political instability, wars, the rule of the gun etc..
They came to Australia (and other commonwealth countries) as it had a) freedom b) opportunity and (most importantly) c) a stable system of government, laws and social conventions that gave one thing above all others... SAFETY.. Safety to bring up families without government sponsored invasions of your home, in the middle of the night and dragging off your father, son, daughter.. never to be seen again.. Or your 12 year old son walking to the shops for bread only to be shot dead by occupying troops..Think about it for a moment.. Think of all the countries where this is daily life.. In the last 10 years count the number of atrocities that we watch on TV from far away and then go and bag our own country because we can't afford a home.. Fucks sake guys, this country owes a lot to that union jack in the corner.. And I'll never forget it.. Most people that bag our history, our origins and our strengths, are the same people that scream first at the slightest hint of social injustice in their own tiny worlds.. Think about it.. Don't rush to change.. What we have is precious and well worth preserving.. That is why it is the envy of many.. That is why people die to defend it..
my 2c.. I'll get off the box now..
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi
Well said StenGuns.
Look what a great country we are in. The Howards waited at the lodge for the Rudds to arrive so that they could show them around, the Keatings did the same thing for the Howards. Not like some countries after an election.
I think our current flag relates very well to our heritage.
Steve
Well said StenGuns.
Look what a great country we are in. The Howards waited at the lodge for the Rudds to arrive so that they could show them around, the Keatings did the same thing for the Howards. Not like some countries after an election.
I think our current flag relates very well to our heritage.
Steve
Calcool Fahrvergnugen
965 posts · joined May 2005 ·
Great Debate,
I would like to propose the following after having read all the comments.
Get rid of State Paliament (we are over governed and represented)
National Laws and Taxes, no more finger pointing or its the States responsibility
Increase presence of Local Government reporting to National Govt ie Local independent Member campaigning for needs in the local community
Double the salaries of National Govt so we get some real talent in govt, who would want to be Prime minister, couple of hundred K a year with an excellent retirment package, but under constant surveylance and ridicule, Murdoch and Packer get great media whatever they are doing.
Put GST on everything and get rid of income Tax, then you can genuinely choose how much tax you want to pay, might cut back on the never never generation that will never own their house.
Put some money into infrastructure, not tax cuts, i will just spend what I get, but if the collective savings of tax cuts was 34billion, I think we could have put in some great infrastructure ie Health, Education, Transport, Power.
Just some of the thoughts in my mind.
Lets all try to be good to each other and crush those that bring society down such as the git that stole Spintstars centre cap.
Cheers,
Calcool
I would like to propose the following after having read all the comments.
Get rid of State Paliament (we are over governed and represented)
National Laws and Taxes, no more finger pointing or its the States responsibility
Increase presence of Local Government reporting to National Govt ie Local independent Member campaigning for needs in the local community
Double the salaries of National Govt so we get some real talent in govt, who would want to be Prime minister, couple of hundred K a year with an excellent retirment package, but under constant surveylance and ridicule, Murdoch and Packer get great media whatever they are doing.
Put GST on everything and get rid of income Tax, then you can genuinely choose how much tax you want to pay, might cut back on the never never generation that will never own their house.
Put some money into infrastructure, not tax cuts, i will just spend what I get, but if the collective savings of tax cuts was 34billion, I think we could have put in some great infrastructure ie Health, Education, Transport, Power.
Just some of the thoughts in my mind.
Lets all try to be good to each other and crush those that bring society down such as the git that stole Spintstars centre cap.
Cheers,
Calcool
StenGuns Veteran Volks Folk
2,147 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
HiStenGuns wrote:God Bless this country
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/joy-a-world-away-from-war-zone/2007/11/29/1196037040798.html
Good story. Its people like that that deserve to come here, not the queue jumpers from our North West.
Steve
Robo Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,491 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·
Are the current native people really the first inhabitants of this land? or invaders the same as we were? I have read a few different theorys on this and Im not sure! I mean if they started this business in Europe where countrys have been invaded/taken many times over who knows who are the real indigenous people of these countrys are they going to start land rights? No they just get on with life. I lost a grandfather to WW2, should I expect the German people to send me a letter of appolegy and some compensation! It happened, hopefully we have learned from our mistakes and it will not happen again.
As for this government only time will tell. Trashing them before they start is a bit like saying the latest Volkswagen is a pice of crap before anyones even driven it! give it a year or so and we will soon see!
Rob...
As for this government only time will tell. Trashing them before they start is a bit like saying the latest Volkswagen is a pice of crap before anyones even driven it! give it a year or so and we will soon see!
Rob...
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amazeer Bishop of Volkswagenism
3,029 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·
Republican as PM and republican as opposition leader (i assume turnbull is the only one left interested). I wonder if we have to wait for the queen to fall off.
People dont fight for a flag, they fight for what the flag represents. I dont know why anyone would fight for the top left corner seeing that country was well prepared to sign over the top half our country to the Japanese because they were more intereseted in using ANZAC soldiers as cannon fodder in Europe, the middle East and Africa
People dont fight for a flag, they fight for what the flag represents. I dont know why anyone would fight for the top left corner seeing that country was well prepared to sign over the top half our country to the Japanese because they were more intereseted in using ANZAC soldiers as cannon fodder in Europe, the middle East and Africa
h fractals - an ever changing lifestyle
7,671 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·
oh so true.. good pointamazeer wrote:People dont fight for a flag, they fight for what the flag represents.
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amazeer Bishop of Volkswagenism
3,029 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·
In this lucky country we can name our teddy bear anything we like.
unlike....http://tinyurl.com/399uzw
unlike....http://tinyurl.com/399uzw
DubbinDan Officially Full-On Dubber
211 posts · joined Sep 2005 ·
Seeing as this is a political debate AND we're now posting links to SMH articles - here's another.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/the-partys-over-and-liberals-will-soon-be-history/2007/11/28/1196036982629.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/the-partys-over-and-liberals-will-soon-be-history/2007/11/28/1196036982629.html
Spook Driving the 64 wheeler
1,168 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Your telling me we'd lose any of this if we got rid of the union jack? Of course we wouldn't.StenGuns wrote:So Aboriginals united around a flag prior to British colonisation? Isn't the "Flag" an idea that would have been unknown to them?
I'm no expert on the Australian indigenous people but others I have studied had a concept of land as; "use of land", eg; fishing use, cultivation use, gathering use which allowed many tribes to share the same piece of dirt according to tribal "rights".. "Ownership of Land" by the individual is a very western concept
In terms of the union jack in the corner.. we have to remember that the great majority of immigration from the 2nd half of the 20th Century onwards, was by people that were leaving their home country due to economic hardship, political instability, wars, the rule of the gun etc..
They came to Australia (and other commonwealth countries) as it had a) freedom b) opportunity and (most importantly) c) a stable system of government, laws and social conventions that gave one thing above all others... SAFETY.. Safety to bring up families without government sponsored invasions of your home, in the middle of the night and dragging off your father, son, daughter.. never to be seen again.. Or your 12 year old son walking to the shops for bread only to be shot dead by occupying troops..Think about it for a moment.. Think of all the countries where this is daily life.. In the last 10 years count the number of atrocities that we watch on TV from far away and then go and bag our own country because we can't afford a home.. Fucks sake guys, this country owes a lot to that union jack in the corner.. And I'll never forget it.. Most people that bag our history, our origins and our strengths, are the same people that scream first at the slightest hint of social injustice in their own tiny worlds.. Think about it.. Don't rush to change.. What we have is precious and well worth preserving.. That is why it is the envy of many.. That is why people die to defend it..
my 2c.. I'll get off the box now..
Start at the start of "white" Australia's history.
We were a f#cking prison, a damn fine prison. This is where mother England dumped the "dregs" of society, for crimes such as stealing the loaf of bread you spoke of.
This is our heritage.
Of course when they found out it was a great place, great men came forward. These men we owe a lot to but their memories get shit on. Ayres rock is a prime example.
1901 with federation we became a nation, we became us.
By the end of the 2nd world war, when the mass migration you speak of really got into full swing, the only things we had (& still have) in common with England was our system of government & the language(??)
The scare campaign waged by the monarchists last time this came up was that we had to cut ties with the past to move forward. This of course is wrong. By the same token being bound by the past is wrong.
The fact remains that, right here, right now, I live in a country where my official head of state lives in completely different country that I need a passport to go to. The same head of state has come to my country 4 times during her reign.
How can that possibly be right in 2007.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
Calcool Fahrvergnugen
965 posts · joined May 2005 ·
A Couple of more thoughts.
Why not make voting voluntary, then only interetsed people will vote.
Get rid of preference votes and have true democracy, who gets the most votes wins.
Simple stuff!
Cheers,
Calcool
Why not make voting voluntary, then only interetsed people will vote.
Get rid of preference votes and have true democracy, who gets the most votes wins.
Simple stuff!
Cheers,
Calcool
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi
Its actually compulsory to attend a polling booth and get your name checked off, you don't have to actually vote, but then you have no right to complain.
Steve
Its actually compulsory to attend a polling booth and get your name checked off, you don't have to actually vote, but then you have no right to complain.
Steve
StenGuns Veteran Volks Folk
2,147 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·
The Westminster system of Government is a legacy of our British roots.. We can't deny the past any more than we should allow it to hang over our future.. I'm not big on the head of state being a foreign royal.. However, until something comes close to it, in terms of protection of our way of life, then I'm happy to stick with it...
Would we lose any of it if we cut ties.. maybe not, I don't know.. Who does?.. Forever is a long time..
I arrived in OZ in 1979 as an economic refugee.. I suppose I had a choice.. Australia or somewhere else like.....
(remember this is 1979)
Afghanistan
Argentina
Bangladesh
Brazil
Cambodia
Chile
Egypt
Ghana
Haiti
India
Laos
Lebanon
Monrovia
Namibia
Oman
Pakistan
Paraguay
Peru
Rhodesia
Russia
Salvador
South Africa
Tunisia
Uruguay
Vietnam
Yugoslavia
Would we lose any of it if we cut ties.. maybe not, I don't know.. Who does?.. Forever is a long time..
I arrived in OZ in 1979 as an economic refugee.. I suppose I had a choice.. Australia or somewhere else like.....
(remember this is 1979)
Afghanistan
Argentina
Bangladesh
Brazil
Cambodia
Chile
Egypt
Ghana
Haiti
India
Laos
Lebanon
Monrovia
Namibia
Oman
Pakistan
Paraguay
Peru
Rhodesia
Russia
Salvador
South Africa
Tunisia
Uruguay
Vietnam
Yugoslavia