Flintstones wrote:My point is that the Gov want us to believe that the only way to fix GW is to introduce this carbon scam...which as I said earlier we'd be paying for.
So if we are paying for it then the Gov are surely going to get a massive revenue stream for something that is really not relevant.
Surely you'd like your taxes and money to go to something more worthwhile.....
There's nothing wrong with green power, especially if you can harness what nature is already providing. There's no need to wreck the environment if you don't need to, for example have you seen what it takes to mine the oil sands in northern america? The oil giants have absolutely made a mess of the environment up there to the point there is no environment....
Again I think you are not a GW sceptic, but just upset that someone has to pay for it and its now trendier to be a sceptic. You cant support green power if you are concerned about the money. Its more expensive. I see you're concerned for the environment but dont want to admit that there is an environment above ground level. Its OK to be gay, its OK to eat meat, and its OK to care for the atmosphere. You dont need to be part of the in crowd, you dont need to wear Nike. I wear Brooks, I think you can be a hippy tree hugger too.
Not correct that the government is only pushing carbon credits. The government is pushing energy savings to reduce emissions. They have put star ratings on your electrical appliances. They have star ratings and emissions info on the windscreens of cars. They promote the use of public transport. You get free rail pass included in your ticket for the Sydney Easter Show for example. In NSW we have BASIX, which is adding up to $15,000 to house prices apparently.
I'm hoping that Rudds name being used here is just a synonym for government. Had John Howard stayed in power you would have carbon credits. The coalition government was well down the path planning for the same scheme, only difference is that they didnt have a start date... still dont, but supportive of the idea. Google is your friend
http://www.mallesons.com/publications/2007/Aug/9074537w.htm Not to mention the gradual tightening of vehicle emissions which have been happening here under all governments since at least 1984, the dirty bastards have been increasing the costs of our cars for 20 years over this stupid hoax. ( I know because when the engine in dads VK commodore went phht on a return trip from valla it cost twice as much as a blue motor.)
Perhaps I shouldn't call it fact, its just my understanding, is that the government doesn't make money out of carbon trading companies do. Companies who's emissions are under their carbon cap get credits to sell to companies that are over their cap. This provides an incentive for companies to reduce emissions. If not carbon trading, how else do you force companies to reduce emissions. Do you ask politely? If anything the carbon trading scheme will cost money to set up and administer. I cant see a cent in it for pollies.
The reason why we have to go first, is because someone has to go first and nobody else has balls. We can go first and not lose jobs by supporting Aussie products. Just today I bought an Australian made Pope garden hose with a $10 premium over the Taiwanese Cyclone one. I used to work for BHP Stainless (its been gone for over 10 years now). We got raw product for the same price of imported finished product, so it was under a lot of pressure for the 11 years I was there. And people I worked with were buying things they knew were made from imported stainless. dumb. Have balls buy Australian and save your own job. Dont wait for the government.
Yes you will pay more for a lot of things. It would be nice if some things got cheaper too, but we wont hold our breath. But why the hell should clean air cost less than dirty air?
