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LIFE IN THE LOW LANE All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the pr

2,534 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#674986
DUBB61 wrote:I thought we already concluded that the old testament was a work of fiction. It has no more relevance than a science fiction novel. Loosely based on what could have happened, but with no relevent evidence and as such should be taken as heresay.
Sin is a moral line in the sand that (hopefully) moves as societys develop, otherwise we would still be getting stoned to death for saying jehovah.🙅
If the old testament is a work of fiction then why wont the Turkish government let anybody near Mt Sinai(I think) to look at the petrified remains of Noah's ark?? Dimensions etc all correlate with what size the old testament say it was and satelite pics clearly show it high on the top of the mountain semi buried by generations and generations of erosion etc.

How do I know this?? My Aunty used to work for a firm(up until last year) that travels the world finding proof of such things happening in history. and when the turkish govt found out they found the ark and had pics of it nobody is allowed within cooee of it.

Noah's ark references are found in Genesis Chapter 6-9 which is the very first book in the old testament if i'm not wrong. So now i guess why you would want to keep such a finding "quiet" as it certainly would disprove theories and speculations about the bible being "fiction" instead of being fact.....
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grogy Custom Title Time!

1,000 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#674993
there r more ancient manuscripts of the hebrew n greek scriptures than any other literature, so dont believe it .n dont believe any historical writings.......and from what i remember it was monty python who said jehovah, n got stoned for saying it

MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#675019
Get/ask your Aunt to post a picture......should be entertaining.If the "firm" had a picture they would have published it yeh?????
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Newt Wolfsburg Wizard

478 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#675026
There are a few published photos of an object high up on Mt Arrat kicking arround (though the most famous was taken by the Russians back in the days of biplanes).

I am concerned that morality should be relative. Does that mean society can decide when it is ok to rape, send children down coal mines, pedaphile, burn unwanted people etc (Im not saying that relative morality is ok in hindsite, just ok when you are actually doing it).

Surely morality has to be more than relative to what society deems acceptable at the time.

Newt

As is often said - every thing in moderation. a little rape, a little murder, a little incest, a little....... (somehow I dont think so).
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Phil74Camper Head in the Clouds

2,703 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#675044
Noah's tale is a symbolic story of faith and justice, handed down, meshed and embelished from similar 'flood' tales from ancient Sumeria, Iran and Egypt. Many religions have similar flood stories, particularly as ancient civilisations were built on rivers that were subject to flooding. It is not literally true.

The King James bible only refers to the 'mountains of Ararat', not specifically the mountain we recognise as today's Mt Ararat in eastern Turkey. You can easily inspect Mt Ararat with Google Earth; Noah's ark was supposed to be 130m long (bigger than any wooden ship ever built in modern times), but you won't see it. It isn't there. Fundamentalists have searched similar mountains nearby, as well as ranges in Syria and Iran, all without luck. Because there is nothing to find. It is not literally true.

You might as well try to look for the bones of the Rainbow Serpent in Arnhem Land - they are equally real.

LUFTMEISTER Veteran Volks Folk

2,041 posts · joined Jul 2005 ·

#675055
Newt wrote:There are a few published photos of an object high up on Mt Arrat kicking arround (though the most famous was taken by the Russians back in the days of biplanes).

I am concerned that morality should be relative. Does that mean society can decide when it is ok to rape, send children down coal mines, pedaphile, burn unwanted people etc (Im not saying that relative morality is ok in hindsite, just ok when you are actually doing it).

Surely morality has to be more than relative to what society deems acceptable at the time.

Newt

As is often said - every thing in moderation. a little rape, a little murder, a little incest, a little....... (somehow I dont think so).
ok to rape = war and prision sentences (shared cells)
send children down coal mines = industrial revolution
pedaphile = ancient greek & roman societys
burn unwanted people = nazis ww2

society has already condoned and outlawed all the things you have listed that is how we evolve by developing a moral level that is set by current civilisation.
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Newt Wolfsburg Wizard

478 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#675197
I agree. Thats why I struggle with morality being relative. Whilst today these things are considered barbaric (?), at the time they were considered acceptable.

Newt
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grogy Custom Title Time!

1,000 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#675271
only ever acceptable to anyone who has no regards for anyone [whatever time period]

newoldmanx Wolfsburg Wizard

468 posts · joined Aug 2006 ·

#675276
DUBB61 wrote:ok to rape = war and prision sentences (shared cells)
send children down coal mines = industrial revolution
pedaphile = ancient greek & roman societys
burn unwanted people = nazis ww2

society has already condoned and outlawed all the things you have listed that is how we evolve by developing a moral level that is set by current civilisation.
ok to rape = every weekend drunk women are raped 2008
send children down coal mines = one in six children worlwide are in child labour as at today 2008
pedaphile = the pope has pleaded with priests to stop 2008
burn unwanted people = 2003 US government use insendry bombs (napalm) going into Baghdad

"society has already condoned and outlawed all the things you have listed"

ummm sadly not
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LUFTMEISTER Veteran Volks Folk

2,041 posts · joined Jul 2005 ·

#675289
I said outlawed not stopped!
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