BEETLE HIGH PERFORMANCE VENTED DISC BRAKES

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 15 Mar 2008, 8:22 am

#636776

I have high performance Beetle brake kits for sale.

This kit meets the intent of all Australian states' 'modified vehicle' engineering guidelines for hassle-free engineering/mod plating

VENTED FRONT
From $1320 inc GST

* 287x24mm high quality DBA 'Kangaroo Paw' slotted rotors
* CNC machined hub with M14x1.5 studs
* CNC machined caliper brackets to suit PBR Commodore calipers
* CNC machined stub axle (exchange required)
* Included are all new bearings, seals, high tensile bolts required to install
* Components electro-plated for corrosion resistance
* No increase in wheel track dimension - no guard rubbing
* Formidable stopping power and fade resistance
* Ideal for Subaru transplants where vented brakes 'to donor car specs' are required for engineering/mod plate/legal street registration.

To keep the bucks down, this kit in its basic $1320 form is supplied without callipers so you can source your own choice of second-hand or rebuilt Commodore callipers.

I can supply second-hand calipers for $80pr. I can provide brand new calipers (as pictured) and quality 'street' pads for an extra $400 bringing the total - as pictured - to $1720. As you can see, they look nice painted!

VW and Porsche stud patterns in stock; other stud patterns by request:

Add $100 for Porsche stud pattern. Other stud pattern - $POA

These brakes require a minimum 15-inch aftermarket wheel. These brakes will NOT fit VW steel 'widies'. Bias valve and/or master cylinder upgrade is required. This kit is not intended for cars with rear drum brakes.

Available for immediate shipping for Beetles:
Ball Joint - 'small' and 'large' tie rod styles
L-bugs (2-bolt front end)

3-bolt Super and Type III - available to special order

REARS: from $990 * NOW INCLUDES PADS AND NUTS!! *
I have this light but effective rear disc kit that is a good match for VWs with standard 278mm front discs. It can also be teamed with the big vented front kit.

This kit meets the intent of all Australian states' Codes of Practice for Light Vehicle Modifications.

As with my front kit, I save all the hard work of a 'custom' brakes kit by providing all the machining and hardware required to fit your choice of second-hand or rebuilt callipers and provide cleaned/inspected second-hand 'core' callipers for free.

* 260x10mm DBA solid disc
* Brand new hub machined from quality German-manufactured core
* M14x1.5 studs
* Kombi wheel nuts
* New performance brake pads
* Calliper mount machined to suit VW
* Handbrake lever and cable mount modified to suit VW
* Once again, this is a true BOLT-ON UPGRADE supplied with all new gaskets, spacers and bolts/nuts required
* Slotting optional $160

Extra studs and nuts to convert your standard VW front discs can be supplied for $100.

This kit weighs less than Type 3 drums and fits inside 14-inch wheels.

Inspect, pick up or delivery from Newcastle or Sydney NSW.

Shipping I can mail/ship these brakes anywhere by Australia Post etc. Ask and I will quote for you.

For the full story on the development of these brakes, check out this thread:
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=36884&page=11#pid636615

Please note, the thread is a 'diary' of the process of developing and testing these brakes so some information and specifications have changed.

U2U/PM on here
0411 274 155
or qik304@hotmail.com

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vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 15 Mar 2008, 1:01 pm

#636820

where a pic of the caliper whats the piston size

I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 15 Mar 2008, 3:22 pm

#636835

So supply and fit plus and certify to my 1500 Beetle is how much ?❓❓❓

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 15 Mar 2008, 4:24 pm

#636851

vw54 wrote:where a pic of the caliper whats the piston size

Here's a pic of the calliper I used for development, with a size comparison between brake pads. Piston size is 54mm, from memory

Ian & Brian, you will need to contact an engineer for his prices. The best plan of attack is to perform all your mods together (eg: engine, suspension, seats and brakes) when building a car and have the engineer inspect and re-certify the car once

www.streetmachine.com.au
click on 'Find Engineer' in the menu on the left side of the home page

EDIT: There have been a few questions about what DBA's 'Kangaroo Paw' brake rotors are; here's a pic.

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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 15 Mar 2008, 6:09 pm

#636870

Why did you use single piston calipers? (Dont say because they were there, although the smart answer!)

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Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 15 Mar 2008, 6:18 pm

#636872

matberry wrote:Why did you use single piston calipers? (Dont say because they were there, although the smart answer!)

Yeah , on the Back ok
but the OE fronts are twin pistons at least

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 15 Mar 2008, 10:19 pm

#636893

matberry wrote:Why did you use single piston calipers? (Dont say because they were there, although the smart answer!)

The number of pistons used in a calliper is largely immaterial; 'Two' is not automatically better than 'one'. For true high performance, other specifications are more important, such as pad area, long-term durability and parts/pads availability - all of which is no problemo with this caliper. A big single-piston calliper with a large pad will out-brake a small twin-piston calliper all day, everyday

I took a commonsense approach: I chose a readily-available caliper designed and validated for a V8-powered car weighing 1500+ kg and made it fit the VW with half the mass - it works well

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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 15 Mar 2008, 10:41 pm

#636896

Why do all race type of calipers have opposing pistons then?

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Euro_67 Wolfsburg Wizard

690 posts · joined Oct 2003 · 17 Mar 2008, 6:50 am

#637018

Read the thread on the development of the 'kit' and it will make sense.

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=36884&page=11#pid636615

I am sure there are more exotic calipers available, but none that can be had for $300 a pair new including pads and provide such an increase in pad area, and meet all local regulations.

Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 17 Mar 2008, 6:59 am

#637020

ya think so ?

Turbo54 Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined Jul 2004 · 17 Mar 2008, 4:56 pm

#637093

Hi Craig,
I hope you don't mind me dropping in my 2c. I am currently doing a brake upgrade for my turbo54 and after talking to a few circuit racers the general opinion is that beetles are very light and very easy on brakes.
I have gone overkill on my package and have payed for it in excess weight. I have also had wheel offset problems and all for what? To say I have big brakes when Glens setup would of been perfect. You have got to ask yourselves what yu really want from your brakes? Yeah sure you have great brakes but is the rest of your car up to there standard? The opposing piston caliper is great when you have a wide car and can afford to run 17x8 inch rims. Remember you need to get a caliper on each side of your disk. How fat rims cans you squeeze under a factory rear guard? Glen has kept it all to factory track widths and to make it easy to get it engineered and as a bolt on upgrade so you dont have to change wheels when you buy a kit. I think it is a great option for people who want to buy a setup and the fact it is all available here with no import taxes and spare are cheap... how can you go wrong?
T54

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It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.

GTMac Fahrvergnugen

976 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 19 Mar 2008, 10:25 am

#637350

Spot on T54, why are people trying to make things so complicated. You dont like this package, go get your own. I would say most want to have a great brake setup that can being driven hard on a daily basis and ease of replacement parts when service is due. Will say it one more time, more than happy with how my "VWCOOL" brake package works. And trust me mine was a prototype for Type 3 aplication and was a damn site dearer than what is being asked now, thats what it comes down to with R&D.$$$ get spent first.

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humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 15 Apr 2008, 10:20 pm

#641067

I have a very similar 'kit' on my TIII that I built years ago.... I use the same type of rotor (DBA Supra replacement), custom caliper brackets, OEM Golf hubs (100PCD and very hard to find) and Series IV RX7 4 piston calipers (also very hard to find).... I have these inside 17" rims an they are very sweet.... Craig T knows what I'm on about, he's seen these brakes up close.... This set up cost me close to $700 to build up and I'm very happy with the set-up.... But one thing you all should know.... It took me some months to source the parts, make numerous mock-ups and build it.... It could be turned into a kit like Glen's, but I doubt I could make for the same coin.... The use of Commy calipers is also a very good move (I use Commy IRS rears on the front of my custom 205PCD brakes on my Ragtop)... Parts are cheap, rebuild costs are very low and they can be found anywhere in the country.... Try doing that with Mazda caliper!

Good effort Glen....

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zalman1 Learner Dubber

11 posts · joined Jul 2007 · 16 Apr 2008, 8:08 am

#641098

Hi guys,
All this talk of big brakes has got my interest.
Just wondering what sort of upgrades you have done to the master cylinder if any?
Cheers,
Mike.

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 16 Apr 2008, 11:19 am

#641126

None needed on Glen's kit or mine.... Though Glen does mention the possibility of fitting a bias valve... I have Magna discs on the rear of my car and if anything, its a little under braked on the rear....

FUCH your early!

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johnnyk Casual Dubber

48 posts · joined Jun 2006 · 17 Apr 2008, 11:00 am

#641314

Can these breaks be drilled to fit wide 5 wheels? also can you source drop spindles and a dual master cylinder?

Cheers,
John

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 18 May 2008, 11:04 pm

#646599

Oops sorry for this late reply; I was away for all of April and didn't know this here, no I haven't done a 'wide five' kit as most people who want performance (rather than 'style' - IYKWIM) choose a four-stud car (1968-on/Super/L-bug) to modify. Try Vintage VW Supplies in Sydney for a wide-five kit - they have done the hard work

Drop spindles: No, my big brakes are 'built' on standard spindles - BJ, L-Bug or Super 3-bolt - only

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Golde60 Fahrvergnugen

858 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 19 May 2008, 4:51 am

#646616

does that mean that it wouldnt work with a set of cb dropped spindles? i reckon it probably would, but I m no expert....

also, another one while im at it craig, is there any chance you are working on a similar set up for the rear end?

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humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 19 May 2008, 9:42 am

#646647

Golde60 wrote:does that mean that it wouldnt work with a set of cb dropped spindles? i reckon it probably would, but I m no expert....

also, another one while im at it craig, is there any chance you are working on a similar set up for the rear end?

Hey Kim.... Check out Glens signature.... He does rear disc brakes also.... And Im sure his kit could be made to fit drop spindles, but it would mean the manufacture of new caliper brackets.... I know this, cause I have modded mine to fit LP bug drop spindles....

FUCH your early!

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 19 May 2008, 9:54 am

#646651

This is Glenn, the spindles need machining and there are only CNC 'programs' for OE VW stuff. Yes the drop spindles may work, but I would need a set for the machinist to measure up/check chassis clearances etc. The different axle centreline may cause the calliper to foul on the steering etc.

I'll take a look! Contact me U2U

Yes I supply rear discs to mate with the vented fronts, the 'biggies' are a slotted 287x15mm with either VW or Porsche stud pattern on a studded hub.

I also supply a smaller rear disc package that is perfect match for standard VW front discs. It is 260x10mm and fits inside 14-inch wheels. VW four-stud only, studded hub

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 29 May 2008, 1:13 pm

#648779

For those who asked, matching rear discs now in stock - pics and prices added. Slotting optional

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Kafer Lover Officially Full-On Dubber

370 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 1 Apr 2009, 10:08 pm

#704447

Glenn,

Hows your production of rears going?

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 1 Apr 2009, 10:25 pm

#704450

Kafer Lover wrote:Glenn,

Hows your production of rears going?

Ready next week - if Aussie post is good to us, you should have by Easter 🙂

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Golde60 Fahrvergnugen

858 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 2 Apr 2009, 5:30 am

#704476

Hey Glenn

can you tell me what is the spacing between the bolts that mount the caliper brackets to the frame?
How much for the bolt pattern to be drilled to 4-100?

see my post in members rides to see if your set up might suit.....

I am not having any luck finding any options over this part of the world, nor in the states

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Mick058 Custom Title Time!

1,580 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 2 Apr 2009, 6:53 am

#704486

Rears are too big for type 3 fronts???

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=67295 (myride)

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 2 Apr 2009, 8:55 am

#704506

Golde60 wrote:Hey Glenn

can you tell me what is the spacing between the bolts that mount the caliper brackets to the frame?
How much for the bolt pattern to be drilled to 4-100?

see my post in members rides to see if your set up might suit.....

I am not having any luck finding any options over this part of the world, nor in the states

The caliper's cradle has mounting holes on approx 78mm centres...

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 2 Apr 2009, 8:59 am

#704507

Mick058 wrote:Rears are too big for type 3 fronts???

Mick, got your U2U, my smaller rears (I do two sizes; there's picture earlier in this thread) are a perfect upgrade for Beetle/Type 3 fronts (and behind my big vented fronts, too of course) but at this stage I only supply in 4-stud

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Golde60 Fahrvergnugen

858 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 2 Apr 2009, 2:53 pm

#704577

Hey Glenn

Any chance you can post up some pics of the calipers with the caliper bracket mounted up and maybe a tape measure alongside so that I can see dimensions.
From memory, the centres I need are about 80-90mm.

will check tonight, cant remember exactly.

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Mick058 Custom Title Time!

1,580 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 2 Apr 2009, 2:59 pm

#704580

What are the advantages of slotting?

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1,473 posts · joined Dec 2007 · 2 Apr 2009, 4:55 pm

#704619

Added cooling, cleaning and they remove the gasses from between the pads and rotor