wrx drive line

PAZZAN Wolfsburg Wizard

592 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 9 Apr 2010, 7:09 pm

#772424

any one tried subarugears reverse diff set up yet, looks good no need for adaptor plates or porsche five speeds just use the whole subaru driveline..

http://www.subarugears.com/index.htm

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 10 Apr 2010, 11:07 am

#772499

Hi Paul

The guy making them is going to have a display at the Nationals, it will be good to see them in the flesh.

Steve

JVLRacing Custom Title Time!

1,100 posts · joined Mar 2007 · 10 Apr 2010, 12:36 pm

#772506

Something different and this bloke is thinkin outside the square....
The only question is how strong will they be....if it was a 6mt gearbox ur laughin all the way to the bank
👍

seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 · 10 Apr 2010, 2:32 pm

#772515

JVLRacing wrote:Something different and this bloke is thinkin outside the square....
The only question is how strong will they be....if it was a 6mt gearbox ur laughin all the way to the bank
👍

I can lift and walk with a 5 speed

My 6 speed I need two people to lift it, around 30ks more

killa for a Vw

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JVLRacing Custom Title Time!

1,100 posts · joined Mar 2007 · 10 Apr 2010, 4:13 pm

#772531

seagull wrote:
JVLRacing wrote:Something different and this bloke is thinkin outside the square....
The only question is how strong will they be....if it was a 6mt gearbox ur laughin all the way to the bank
👍
I can lift and walk with a 5 speed

My 6 speed I need two people to lift it, around 30ks more

killa for a Vw

tRUE😎...but it is a better box,thats why u HAVE ONE😎.i would just take out 30kg in other places to compensate for strength of a 6mt!

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 10 Apr 2010, 4:42 pm

#772534

seagull wrote:My 6 speed I need two people to lift it, around 30ks more

killa for a Vw

Have you picked up a G50?

Flintstones Custom Title Time!

1,077 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 10 Apr 2010, 7:11 pm

#772546

all comes down to how much power you want to put through it........
Good on the bloke for expanding the options
Cheers
D

azrael_kadeus Learner Dubber

6 posts · joined Mar 2010 · 5 May 2010, 9:59 am

#776721

i've purchased this... just waiting for the parts to be made.. will let you know how it goes..

76bug Officially Full-On Dubber

215 posts · joined Feb 2005 · 5 May 2010, 11:56 am

#776754

a standard 5 speedsubaru box will handle 180-200kw at all 4 wheels in a full wrx with no problem, i dont know why you guys are worried about wether it will last or not in a beetle which only 900kg and driving 2 wheels. if the reverse crown will is a quality unit it is a fantastic concept.

ttriebler Officially Full-On Dubber

321 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 5 May 2010, 7:39 pm

#776816

Hey guys, thanks for the kind words about the concept. Had TONS of interest in the product from all over the world. azrael kadeus, thanks for your order!

Not doing the 6 speed sti box at this time, it's a whole different setup. I've only had 3 or 4 enquiries about the 6 speed sti box vs 300 or so for the 5 speed box. So I reckon if you're running enough power to blow up a Subie 5 speed in a lightweight bug, you can probably afford to buy a G50 or UN1 and deal with all that.

Interestingly, the TY 5 speed that we all know is now available as a 6 speed TY box. It's the same external dimensions and my reversed gears still fit it. It has increased webbing and strength in the case and a redesigned gearset that's stronger yet again than the latest sti and RA boxes. It's also cable shifted. All very interesting and promising. They are in the latest USA liberty/legacy cars and also behind the turbo diesel motors which gives you some idea of their ability to handle torque.

I have built a 2000 5 speed box converted to 2wd as my demo box and this is being fitted to a buggy in Sydney as we speak. We aim to have it ready as part of my stand at the Nationals on Sunday 23rd May. EJ25 powered. I'll also have my demo stand there which has a Subie box and motor bolted into the back of a type 1 chassis so you can see how everything fits. I've been busy expanding the product range to also offer 2wd locking sleeves, blanking plates and output flanges to bolt on type 1,2,4 or 930 cv's. As of this weekend I will also be offering fully built reversed boxes that we ship out ready to go, in various models according to application.

All this will be on display at the nats so you can see it all in person. Please come down and see me and have a chat, I love hearing about everyone's projects and if I can help you with your gearbox decisions then all the better. Hopefully by next years Nats I will have had enough time to finish my 4WD Manx and can share that.

Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
www.subarugears.com

ernie norley Commited Dubber

64 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 5 May 2010, 8:47 pm

#776825

Gday again. Its all coming up roses when you have some time to spare can you give me a call about costing on box outright no exchange + CV set up need 2 sets front axles to subie diff for the synchro. Cheers good going
Ernie

ttriebler Officially Full-On Dubber

321 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 5 May 2010, 9:21 pm

#776843

Dropped you an email with lots of questions Ernie. Cheers Todd

Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
www.subarugears.com

ttriebler Officially Full-On Dubber

321 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 19 May 2010, 8:01 am

#779561

Product update : We now produce the Subaflange, an output flange that converts the Subaru box splined output to VW CV's.

Subaflange type 124 allows VW type 1 (94mm), type 2 and type 4 (100mm) CV joints
Subaflange type 930 allows Porsche 930 (108mm) CV joints only

The width is adjustable to be the same as either 091 box with vw flanges or type 1 irs box with vw flanges. This way you can retain your current cv and drive shaft installation.

The Subaflanges are made from 709m billet and will withstand any punishment. Here's the computer simulated strength analysis, notice there are no red hotspots :

Here's a couple of pix of the final product :

We're now also offering fully built reversed transmissions.
These are fitted with our flipped ring and pinion,
Subasleeve 2wd locking sleeve,
Subaplate block off plate for 2wd (or shortened centre diff housing for those with torsion bars),
Subaflange output flanges.

All transmissions are fully refurbished by factory trained personnel with over 15 years of experience working on these transmissions.

There's a grid on the site http://www.subarugears.com where you select the box according to your application, vehicle weight and engine power. Prices start from $3400 with core or $3700 outright.

Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
www.subarugears.com

71-BEETLE-SEDAN AKA Josh

1,058 posts · joined Mar 2009 · 19 May 2010, 8:10 am

#779563

cant wait til i see this on sunday

Camo Custom Title Time!

1,936 posts · joined Oct 2007 · 20 May 2010, 7:07 pm

#779875

Hi Todd,

I have emailed you before and complemented you on all the time and effort re your product.

Normally, people have been buying an adapter to bolt a Subaru motor to a VW gearbox. I was just thinking that these Subaru boxes would be another great way to get a 5 speed (over drive) in our VW powered cars.

Do you or anyone know if current engine adapters can be turned around to fit a suby box to a VW engine. I dont think it will be this simple, but just a thought as I like the idea of whipping other cars with the old air cooled engines.

Your Subaru boxes would be better than fitting a Berg 5 speed adapter to our VW boxes.

Just my thought and Cheers, Kev

I thought rebuilding a VW would be cheap - Shit I was wrong, just don't let the wife know !!!!

Click here for my (slowy) modded 1961 Beetle build.

Craig S Wolfsburg Wizard

635 posts · joined May 2008 · 20 May 2010, 8:14 pm

#779895

I'm with you Kev, if an adaptor could be made to fit to an air-cooled engine I'd buy one as soon as I had decided what my specs and likely output was. Sadly that's still some time away 🙁

So I'm hoping the venture is a massive success so it's still going when I get around to it.

Craig

1969 Beetle - June
1974 L Bug - Gwendolyn
2002 Bora V6 4Motion - Anita

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 20 May 2010, 8:46 pm

#779920

the adapter could be used in reverse to mount a subi tranny to a vw engine but my concern would be clutch fork and starter gear reach with the adapter acting as a spacer
but im sure todd will be able to answer that one

ttriebler Officially Full-On Dubber

321 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 21 May 2010, 12:23 am

#779969

Actually guys I have just assumed you could use a Kennedy one and put it on backwards to make it all fit. Clearance around the starter motor for the flywheel. Or do you even need to put it on backwards? Just put the back bolts in the front and the front bolts in the back...???

If someone wants to bring an unused adaptor plate and an empty vw block, crank and flywheel to the nats on Sunday we can have a play with it and nut it out. Or I'll take it home, sort it out and publish the results so everyone has the info for free. If a starter motor adaptor thingy needs to be made then I'll make it or most likely a cranky kits one already fits.

As you can see I haven't really looked into it that deeply. The next job was going to be reversing the Subie 4 speed and 5 speed auto. I've already worked out how to do it. That will keep the yanks happy.

Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
www.subarugears.com

ttriebler Officially Full-On Dubber

321 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 21 May 2010, 12:26 am

#779970

Or I could actually get around to finishing my 4WD Manx......

Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
www.subarugears.com

Smiley Veteran Volks Folk

2,125 posts · joined Oct 2008 · 21 May 2010, 1:15 am

#779974

ttriebler wrote:Or I could actually get around to finishing my 4WD Manx......

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Smiley 😎

If you said I was a Volkswagen man, you'd be right.

ernie norley Commited Dubber

64 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 21 May 2010, 7:11 pm

#780109

Gday todd keepon top of manx it is the money spinner when people see it finished the will all want awd beetles etc even down to awd splits the conversion applications are endless awd mazda bongo how good would that be awd reno 10 What about a dual rear axle awd strechted kombi fiat 600 out there is someone ready to try somehing differant thats why we do conversions to suit our own taste But get into the auto asap before someone beats you to HE WHO HESITATES LOSES IN THIS CASE BIG TIME
Ernie

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ttriebler Officially Full-On Dubber

321 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 23 May 2010, 9:09 pm

#780558

OK guys had plenty of interest from the aircooled guys at the nats today keen to see how this trans can be hooked up to their motors. I was a bit surprised actually....pleasantly!

I can get my hands on an adapter plate next weekend but need someone to donate an unneeded type 1 case and crank plus some different flywheels and maybe a beetle starter.

I'm in St George area of Sydney and will happily pick up in the greater Sydney area after hours during this week. If anyone can help out with a piece or two of the puzzle just PM please.

Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
www.subarugears.com

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Jun 2010, 6:13 pm

#784240

ttriebler wrote:OK guys had plenty of interest from the aircooled guys at the nats today keen to see how this trans can be hooked up to their motors. I was a bit surprised actually....pleasantly!

I can get my hands on an adapter plate next weekend but need someone to donate an unneeded type 1 case and crank plus some different flywheels and maybe a beetle starter.

I'm in St George area of Sydney and will happily pick up in the greater Sydney area after hours during this week. If anyone can help out with a piece or two of the puzzle just PM please.

Hi

I have an EJ adaptor that I'm not using at the moment, I'm in Lugarno.

Steve

ttriebler Officially Full-On Dubber

321 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 11 Jun 2010, 6:31 pm

#784244

Thanks Steve, no dramas bon't need it. I've got an adaptor and a vw 1600 block and crank plus a vw banana mount. Hope to have a go at it tomorrow.

What I also need is a kombi crank and flywheel as I guess the big hp vw motors are mostly kombi motors...?? Oh and maybe a fan shroud??

Am hoping to head up to boof's on Monday and plonk my box with both a vw aircooled motor attached and an ej20t attached and see how well the fit into a superbeetle with body, valences, guards and decklid on. Let's see if everything clears.

Will report back.

Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
www.subarugears.com

Boozo Back in the bug

359 posts · joined Sep 2007 · 11 Jun 2010, 8:25 pm

#784267

very interested in all this, some pics of the progress so far? as the nats were a bit far away for us QLD side people. Subi box and 5 gears would be sweet.

'59 or Kombi?....feeling confused

'59 bug
'68 bug
'82 import T3 BUS. aircooled

ttriebler Officially Full-On Dubber

321 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 13 Jun 2010, 8:50 pm

#784611

Well, did some work on this today. It's going to need a cleverly designed adaptor plate to bolt the aircooled motor onto the Subie box. Working backwards and putting a clutch plate and flywheel onto the Subie input shaft and box reveals that the Subie flywheel actually protrudes 10mm out the front face of the bellhousing. So this is going to be a 25 to 30mm thick adaptor plate with a large diameter relief milled out of the gearbox side to clear the flywheel. The adaptor plate will have a hole cut in the centre that allows the vw engine to centre itself by its ridge and not 'walk'.

Here's a look at how well the transmission sits on the VW banana mounts. Should be fairly simple to make a good bracket to bolt onto the transmission.

And a little teaser......

Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
www.subarugears.com

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Jun 2010, 9:08 pm

#784622

Hi

That looks like every air cooled VW drivers dream, 5 speeds.

A few questions.

I've looked at your site and it says that the stock VW shifter works OK, so can you get all 5 gears plus reverse with no modifications to the VW shifter?

The 6 speed box from the Aus spec Impreza WRX STi MY02-04, is this one you can fit C&P to? It has the A.P. Suretrac.

Steve

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 13 Jun 2010, 9:34 pm

#784637

geez this looks good..........although I would want a couple so there goes more $$$ !!!😵‍💫

ttriebler Officially Full-On Dubber

321 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 13 Jun 2010, 9:55 pm

#784647

1303Steve wrote:Hi

That looks like every air cooled VW drivers dream, 5 speeds.

A few questions.

I've looked at your site and it says that the stock VW shifter works OK, so can you get all 5 gears plus reverse with no modifications to the VW shifter?

The 6 speed box from the Aus spec Impreza WRX STi MY02-04, is this one you can fit C&P to? It has the A.P. Suretrac.

Steve

Hey Steve the stock type 1 shifter works perfectly. The Subie shift rod comes through just to the right of the vw shifter. You bolt them together with 2 tubes and some plate like this :

You remove the reverse lock out plate from your gear lever and bolt it back in. Select first just like you would expect, to the left and forward, reverse, to the right and backward.

My R & P doesn't fit the STi 6 speed you're referring to and that 6 speed doesn't fit into the type 1 pan. It's a massive box, much heavier than the TY 5 speed featured here. The STi 6 speed is overkill for 99.9% of applications.

The TY box is now also available as a TY 6 speed if it's more gears you're after, and my R & P fits it. It has been strengthened and revised even more and is standard issue on the 350nM turbo diesel boxer. The TY box has heaps of LSD options available for it, viscous, clutch plate 1.5 way, 2 way whatever you like from various manufacturers like KAAZ and others.

Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
www.subarugears.com

71-BEETLE-SEDAN AKA Josh

1,058 posts · joined Mar 2009 · 13 Jun 2010, 9:59 pm

#784648

id love a six speed just to ay i got a six speed in my bug