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cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#785262
hhmmm, i think so....i hope so..never took notice to tell u the truth...oh shit i think i might not actualy..last time we took the valves out i remember having to wet sand the ends so we could slide them through the valve guides ..so i , i cant remeber them..

is that bad....

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#785266
cnfabo wrote:is that bad....
Yep

1.4's need lash caps.

With the wiping action of the rocker, it needs the large flat surface of a lash cap, otherwise it'll wear the valve and the rocker prematurely. Also the geometery would be up the creek as they're designed for the extra thickness of the cap.

You would have seen them when doing the valves, the cheaper ones are usually loose on the valves, but it's preferable to be firm or somewhat tight on the valve.
All stainless valves need either a lash cap or a swivel foot adjuster, otherwise they wear very quickly, a stock adjuster screw damages the softer stainless easily.
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#785271
cnfabo wrote:hhmmm, i think so....i hope so..never took notice to tell u the truth...oh shit i think i might not actualy..last time we took the valves out i remember having to wet sand the ends so we could slide them through the valve guides ..so i , i cant remeber them..

is that bad....
why did you have to take the valves out ?


cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#785273
matt, shish, ill check on the weekend..if i dont have any, which bran/type should i buy??

craig, the valves came out because the heads needed to be cleaned up before ceramic coating, "expensive grey paint"...

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#785274
With the miles it's done the valves may be damaged by now without them, so to fit them they will at least need to be cleaned up around the tip where the cap sits.

I use Berg or Scat, but the Scat tend to be looser.
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#785276
cnfabo wrote:cleaned up before ceramic coating, "expensive grey paint"...
😂....oh ok.


cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#785279
should of got the heads unshrouded before painting them...oh well...

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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

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#785307
Pics don't work for me !!!
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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#785310
So? did I win? was it the valve stem top made love to?

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

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#785420
Well?

Did you pop a cover and have a look???
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cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#785443
yep,they are not there... from what we could see the valve tips didnt look mushroomed..soo far....we'll see...

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#785445
Oh dear !!

The rockers get grooves too, pull them off and have a look at the face that wipes the valve tip.
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cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#791474
ok heres the verdict, the head guy took to springs off and they had 130ft ibs on the seat and 285 ft ibs at full lift ".534"..then he found 3 springs that have lost 10 ft ibs....and i did mushroom the valves and also wore out the keepers grooves a bit....oh well...u learn dont you...

so new springs for me,i was thinking bugpack 4046's...any suggestions.....

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#791504
I thought Rod was sorting out the springs for you ?


cnfabo Custom Title Time!

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#791515
Craig Torrens wrote:I thought Rod was sorting out the springs for you ?
just would like to hear what others have to say,its educational as well....

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

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#791516
Given the choice I would go Berg GB273A.
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#791565
Get a rev limiter
and throw away that K8.
That is my opinion, you asked!!

130lbs on the seat is a little low, but not horrendous.(?)
If you are keeping the revs limited to no more than 10% over the peak power,
150/320lbs should be enough pressure if the cam profile is harmonic free.

I would shout it some fresh springs.
Keep your revs lower with a limiter,
and set tappets with zero lash if you have chromoly pushrods.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#791577
cheers mat ...

dave, if only throwing out the cam was that easy........i have been thinking about a bigger set of heads and cam though..but its no easy decision..............

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

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#791583
Maybe the valve float was due to geometry issues without the lash caps causing harmonics??
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cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#801642
engines back in and running great...new valves, cb's lashcaps and bugpack 4046 springs...revs to 7000 but you can feel the power drop at 6500 6700 there abouts.....

thanks everybody for the help....