too cranky wrote:Just passed one of the new revenue raisers "testing" the camera on Williamson Ave in Ingleburn. So they are out there testing for a month apparently before they start issuing fines
While they are "testing" them why don't you take II Cranky out for a "test" too?
Don't tempt me matt I'm dying for a skid. Fingers crossed i get out in a couple of weeks
yeah, like "ANY" number plate covering de4vise would help me
reply to the Dtp of Tpt after recieving sppeding ticket in the mail--->
it wasn`t me,,, it must have been one of the other Jacked up, Big Wheeled, alloy V8 powered, grey/silver duel-cab kombi utes with fabricated alloy drop sides,,, yeah,,, there`s heaps & heaps of them around that look just like mine :-)
or maybe if it were in my rally mini,,,, again, it wasn`t me officer,,, it must have been one of the other Blue rally minis with Yellow "MiniMan" stickers down the sides :-)
However,,, i did hear a rumour about using your mico-wave oven door screen to cover your rear plate ,,, not sure if it works or not, anyone heard that one yet????
There is one simple way to avoid getting a speeding ticket from mobile cameras ..... DON'T SPEED!
Limits are posted for a reason, not as a recommendation for you to decide to go faster or not.
No speeding = No ticket! Easy!
cheers Chippy 😀
Exactly.
In NSW the limits are well posted (on most roads).
School zone signs are roughly the size of a box trailer, with quite a few now fitted with flashing lights.
You are well warned of upcoming fixed speed cameras & red light cameras. A friend from WA could not believe that.
The speedo is the biggest single guage on 99% of cars, & for a lot of people on this forum would be the only guage on the dash.
Where is the excuse??
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
Where is the excuse?? [/quote]
I went 15 years without a booking, the one that bought me undone (after a 59 in a 50 zone at 4.45 am at Berry and a going through the yellow at Glendale) was 113kph on the F3, was so busy watching the "unmarked" coming up behind me that I missed the 90 sign, the copper didnt think that was much of an excuse! 😂
I dream of a day when a chicken can cross a road without being asked for it's motive!
I don't openly object to speed cameras persay, but I do object to them being set up on steep gradient hills and the like. There has to be some deterrent, however ineffective they are, to slow meatheads that do dangerous speeds in built up areas down. Picking up bits of a deceased pedestrian victim off the road is no way to spend your time ... however ... the ridiculously low margin for error is absolute rubbish. At least MOST highway patrol cops give a bit of leniency, unlike the privately run cameras that are commonly set to capture speeds that are literally only a few km/h over the posted limit. With respect to dodgy plates, the NSW cops have begun fitting rego number recognition software to the Hwy Patrol cars that are capable of taking multiple photos per second at a great range of angles - the on board computers run checks, and if the car is unreg/stolen etc an audible tone sounds to alert the officer etc. Seems there's no way to beat them these days ... other than slow down and leave the racing for the track days.
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u speed u get booked them the rules but.....
the speed limits in Australia are to low, it has been proven time and time again that people traveling at higehr speeds are more aware and have less accidents. Sitting on 100k's u relax and tend to look around, nater to people in car, just not pay as mush attention as u would when traveling at higger speed.
the uk has a 70mph limit on the big motorways but the camaras and cops will leave you alone unless u go over 100 mph, the reason is in there eyes u are safer as your watchign the road more closely and it gets u off the road quicker hence less traffic jams. One of the high ranking police cheifs came out on tv and admited this..
I know road condition comes into play and as such i know full well some of the so called main roads up here in C-qld are shit and traveling at 100 ks can be quite scary but around the bigger citys they are 3 laned and well built.
there will always be 2 sides to a coin and each thinks there veiws are better, me i dont speed in my cars my bike on the other hand i will creep over the limit , to me its what they are built for.
steff...................
Life with out a v-dub is no life at all!!!!!
as for the plates, next time ur in the uk goto a bike shop and see just how many number plates are attched with velcro, people ride out,fill up and plate goes into pocket . The volume of traffic there means that even if a cop car is behind you its is very hard for them to get close to pull you over and camaras just take a picture. yes u can get busted for no plate but its a very small fine there and unless your caught a heap of times they do nothing. u just claim ur plate was stolen,fell off.
i never did such things honest
steff................
Life with out a v-dub is no life at all!!!!!
DubCrazy wrote:my bike on the other hand i will creep over the limit
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If you said I was a Volkswagen man, you'd be right.
i just don't know what your laughing about young man!
steff.............
Life with out a v-dub is no life at all!!!!!
The only problem I have with speed cameras are the tossers who slow down to 10, 15, sometimes 20kmh under the speed limit when going past them. Seems to be a deterrant to me. Here's a whole thread of people who are scared the camera might get them. Perhaps they might slow down. If there was a marked police car every 400 metres along the road, you'd still be watching your speedo , yes or no? Every time I see a cop car I look down to check.
Speeding fines havent been a problem for me since about 1989. And back then I was a menace to society and drove like an idiot and should have been done many more times than I was. Tragically that last time I did get booked I was doing the speed limits until I had to overtake a car on a deserted central victorian road.
There was a guy selling number plate frames at the summernats. Dont know what they call it but made from that glass that can go opaque at the flick of a switch. If you come down into Wollongong stop at the aboriginal cultural centre thing at the top of Bulli Pass. They have a 15 metre long 2 metre high demo. One minute its an awesome view of Wollongong and the ocean, then in a fraction of a second it turns into a projector screen. Worth a fortune apparently.
I heard that if you pay the speed camera fine by cheque, and make the amount you pay $1 more than the fine, they cant process it. Dont know if this would work... just what someone told me recently.
guru wrote:I heard that if you pay the speed camera fine by cheque, and make the amount you pay $1 more than the fine, they cant process it. Dont know if this would work... just what someone told me recently.
heard that one and tried it! I paid an extra 3 bucks expecting a refund cheque for the extra, that cheque i was going to never Present thereby holding the whole transaction in limbo and the points not being allocated
it did not work (it might have once upon a time) i received a letter advising me that i was in credit to the tune of $3 bucks
🥲Keeping it real !
silver wrote:guru wrote:I heard that if you pay the speed camera fine by cheque, and make the amount you pay $1 more than the fine, they cant process it. Dont know if this would work... just what someone told me recently.
heard that one and tried it! I paid an extra 3 bucks expecting a refund cheque for the extra, that cheque i was going to never Present thereby holding the whole transaction in limbo and the points not being allocated
it did not work (it might have once upon a time) i received a letter advising me that i was in credit to the tune of $3 bucks
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i can also confirm that................ didn't work for me!.. cock still have m,y 50c.. haha.
amazeer wrote:The only problem I have with speed cameras are the tossers who slow down to 10, 15, sometimes 20kmh under the speed limit when going past them. Seems to be a deterrant to me. Here's a whole thread of people who are scared the camera might get them. Perhaps they might slow down. If there was a marked police car every 400 metres along the road, you'd still be watching your speedo , yes or no? Every time I see a cop car I look down to check.
Speeding fines havent been a problem for me since about 1989. And back then I was a menace to society and drove like an idiot and should have been done many more times than I was. Tragically that last time I did get booked I was doing the speed limits until I had to overtake a car on a deserted central victorian road.
There was a guy selling number plate frames at the summernats. Dont know what they call it but made from that glass that can go opaque at the flick of a switch. If you come down into Wollongong stop at the aboriginal cultural centre thing at the top of Bulli Pass. They have a 15 metre long 2 metre high demo. One minute its an awesome view of Wollongong and the ocean, then in a fraction of a second it turns into a projector screen. Worth a fortune apparently.
If you commute into london on the A3 or come out of central london there are eight to ten cameras. One was hidden behind a sign, but they changed them all a yellow colour to show that they were for safety not a money spinner. yeah right. It has become standard practice to hit the brakes to slow for the cameras and then speed up again. I saw three acidents that stopped the traffic where car had gone into the back of someone at the camera.
One camera made millions it was on a slip road in essex off the motorway just into a 30 zone.
quick search says london has taken 6 mil
I have just paid two hundred bucks to see a black and white picture of me driving my van ten k over the speed limit. hardly the crime of the century. Especially as a double decker coach cut me up on the inside jumped in from the cash lane and barriers. was nuts
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DubCrazy wrote:it has been proven time and time again that people traveling at higehr speeds are more aware and have less accidents.
...and disproven time and again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
Have a look at the column "Road fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km" and you'll find that the only countries better than Australia are the Scandinavians (where severe weather imposes natural speed limits) and some countries which are smaller than the average aussie houseblock, like Luxembourg. Countries frequently cited as being safer such as Germany, due to their flexible speed limits, actually have worse figures.
I don't enjoy the Australian limits and I used to love living in London, where I could get up late but still get to lunch in Wales on a Sunday in the Citroen BX GTI. However, the figures are undeniable. Furthermore, in Victoria, the consumate nanny state, where we have suffered hidden speed cameras and red-light cameras for many years, the absolute death toll is progressively falling and has done so for years. Regrettably the statistics indicate that such tactics actually work.
It's fine to have an opinion, even better if it's based on facts.
hth
Peter Hill
1975 Type 2 Double Cab
modulus.com.aumodulus, i have to agree 100%. i would rather have the speed limit set at something ridiculous cause i like to drive fast, but the road toll would sky rocket as some people just cant drive fast (sitting at 80 in 110 zones for example) i used to be a chronic speeder, sitting on 180-190kph on average in the morning (at 6am there isnt much traffic) down the calder every morning but would need to slow down to about 130 to 140 when i saw tail lights. had i not seen the tail lights i would more than likely have drove through. what im trying to say is that in the right or wrong light it can be very dangerous when people arent driving fast enough along roads that have high speed limits.
Please note that i ended up losing my license for12 months whilst going 49 over the limit, since then i have slowed down. THERE IS NO REASON FOR SPEEDING plenty of EXCUSES but no reason to be doing it. so please dont grill me over my stupidity in the past. we all have done stupid stuff in our life, we can only move forward by discontinuing our behaviour
By that same Wikipedia page:
Australia has 6.6 fatalities per 100,000 people per year. Germany has 5.5. UK has 4.3.
Australia has 10 fatalities per 100,000 vehicles per year. Germany has 8.0. UK has 7.0.
Australia has 6.5 fatalities per billion km distance. Germany has 7.2, UK has 5.7.
So by two out of three criteria, Germany is better than Australia. UK is better on all three.
So Germany has less death per person and per car, but more per distance than us. So doesn't that simply tell us that Germans drive further? (and why not, their highways are better). Where does speed come into it? Those statistics, on their own, say nothing about speed.
If speed was the only factor, Germany would be higher on all three criteria - but they aren't.
Germany's deaths per billion km has improved for 2009, to 6.5 (the Wikipedia figure is for 2008). In fact, this figure has consistently dropped on a year-by-year basis since 1970.
Autobahns are by far the safest roads to travel in Germany. For 2009, by that same criteria, Autobahns recorded just 2.2 fatalities ber billion km. National roads recorded 9.5.
Germany has the third-largest motorway system in the world, 12,200km, behind only the USA and China. The best sections have five lanes in each direction, although some of the former East German sections still only have two lanes eeach way. The Autobahns have an 'advisory' speed limit of 130 km/h, and less than half of the network is actually unrestricted. In reality, the average speed travelled on the Autobahn is 134 km/h.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Autobahnen
http://www.bast.de/cln_005/nn_76770/EN/e-Statistik/e-Unfalldaten/downloads/e-strassenverkehrsunfaelle,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/e-strassenverkehrsunfaelle.pdfPhil74Camper wrote:By that same Wikipedia page:
Australia has 6.6 fatalities per 100,000 people per year. Germany has 5.5. UK has 4.3.
Australia has 10 fatalities per 100,000 vehicles per year. Germany has 8.0. UK has 7.0.
Australia has 6.5 fatalities per billion km distance. Germany has 7.2, UK has 5.7.
So by two out of three criteria, Germany is better than Australia. UK is better on all three.
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I agree that the range of statistics can lead to a range of conclusions.
However:
>>Australia has 6.6 fatalities per 100,000 people per year. Germany has 5.5. UK has 4.3.
Deaths per capita is not a good measure between countries. In some countries, fewer people are drivers so if you look at Japan's figures you will see they do quite well on that basis (most workers commute by train), but much worse per billion km driven.
>>Australia has 10 fatalities per 100,000 vehicles per year. Germany has 8.0. UK has 7.0.
Deaths per vehicle is equally misleading. Again if you compare with Japan, you might conclude that drivimg there is quite a bit safer than Australia, but not when you compare the deaths per billion km. The rate per vehicle is as much a measure of vehicle ownership patterns as it is of road safety.
If you want an overall comparative measure of how likely you are to die driving in various countries, the only valid comparator is the rate per billion km. Of course, this does not start to explain *why* one country's rate is better than anothers; that's a complex question which does not lend itself to facile explanations.
What I do take issue with is the oft-repeated nonsense that it has been 'proven' that higher speed limits reduce road tolls. This is far from 'proven' and the classic comparison with Germany with a population of 82 million in an area 1/20th of Australia's is particularly fraught.
hth
Peter Hill
1975 Type 2 Double Cab
modulus.com.auI agree with your first two arguments. But I would argue that deaths per billion km is also not an 'absolute' or 'valid' comparison. Deaths per a unit distance - this would obviously be affected by traffic density, journey time/distance, fatigue, road condition, vehicle condition, etc etc. Even local weather conditions. It can't be used to make any sweeping conclusions such as 'Germany is less safe than Australia because they get 7.2 compared with our 6.5'. That's nonsense.
In reality I would expect the three different criteria to be related in any given country, dependng on the local condtions as above.
I also agree that it's not proven that higher speed limits (alone) reduce road tolls. However, it's also not proven that higher speed limits (alone) INCREASE road tolls either. There are too many other variables involved. For example, as you say, Germany has four times our population in a twentieth of our area. They ought to have (4x20) = 80 times the accident rate we do, all else being equal. But they don't, because things aren't equal. Their roads and highways are very different, their driver education system is very different and their licencing system is very different. I would also say their cars are better - there are more Volkswagens and less Daiwoos on their roads than ours.
For the police, the RTA and their $$-making contractors, the problem is that's it's much easier and $$ efficient to book motorists for travelling 4 km/h over the limit than it is for booking them for the many other causes of accidents - tailgating, abrupt and continual lane-swapping, pulling out without looking, SMSing while driving, not signalling, not giving way, inadequate driver training, etc etc. Not much money in that.
Some damned good points raised here, the most logical and acceptable is that conditions in European countries are so different to those existing in Australia that there can be no comparison, the vast distances between population centres being just a start.
I dream of a day when a chicken can cross a road without being asked for it's motive!
When you put it like that it doesnt seem so bad. We probably lose more people per year than that due to infections picked up in hospital.
And dont forget that we put any death on the roads into these figures. Drunk pedestrians on the road at night, kids being reversed over, people changing tres on the freeway, urban crashes completely unrelated to speed.
I guess if the road toll wasnt so political we wouldnt hear about it or care.
Phil74Camper wrote:Deaths per a unit distance - this would obviously be affected by traffic density, journey time/distance, fatigue, road condition, vehicle condition, etc etc. Even local weather conditions. It can't be used to make any sweeping conclusions such as 'Germany is less safe than Australia because they get 7.2 compared with our 6.5'. That's nonsense.
I agree 100%. I didn't say at any stage that Germany is less safe than Australia, and you can't reach that conclusion from those figues.
Phil74Camper wrote:their cars are better - there are more Volkswagens and less Daiwoos on their roads than ours.
lol - yes that part's true as well.
At least we're conducting this discussion based on facts, not on the basis of some specious argument that suited a politician's need for a sound-bite one day. I'm reminded of the widely-accepted 'factoid' that we only use 10% of our brains. The only traceable original reference to this pseudo fact is that it was mentioned in "How to Win Friends and Influence People" written in 1937 by Dale Carnegie, i.e. it's about as soundly-based as a fact as "it has been proven time and time again that people traveling at higehr speeds are more aware and haveless accidents".
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Peter Hill
1975 Type 2 Double Cab
modulus.com.auI'm in the UK at the moment and yesterday i drove from Yorkshire down to the Midlands on the M6 the speed limit is 70 mph = 111 klms. The inside lane was traveling at 70 -75mph the middle was 80- 90mph and the outside lane was 90 plus mph everyone slowed for the over head speed camera's then exelerated away there were mercedes sprinter vans overtaking me at 85 mph.
The overhead signs are interactive with the flow of traffic and two or three times were indicating 40 mph meaning slow down theres a problem ahead everyone still carried on at the same pace without even easing off. It was usally due to somone had broken down and were sitting in the hard sholder or there was a foriegn object on the road.
My point is 80 klms takes the piss on a freeway unless theres road works. the south eastern through melbourne is now 80 klms since all the updates started a few years back, which is meant to make the traffic flow better why not put it back to 100, its just a pain in the arse trying to stick to 80 when trucks are in the outside lane doing 90.
Also 100 is too slow at least make it 110 klms = 70mph isn't fast. My Dad who's in his mid sixtys and is very conservative in life drives at 85 mph about 140 klms.
You might say the roads are different between England and Australia if anything Australias freeways are wider lanes and more of them (lanes).
Also throw into the mix of somone who does aproxx 40000 klms a year going about my daily works with somone who only does 10000 klms a year driving to the office and back theres a 4x more chance of me gaining a fine than the same driver only doing 10000 a year.
SPEEDING It really is money for jam with a saving lives banner to wrap it in.
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Mr Bubble Head wrote:I'm in the UK at the moment and yesterday i drove from Yorkshire down to the Midlands on the M6 the speed limit is 70 mph = 111 klms. The inside lane was traveling at 70 -75mph the middle was 80- 90mph and the outside lane was 90 plus mph everyone slowed for the over head speed camera's then exelerated away there were mercedes sprinter vans overtaking me at 85 mph.
The overhead signs are interactive with the flow of traffic and two or three times were indicating 40 mph meaning slow down theres a problem ahead everyone still carried on at the same pace without even easing off. It was usally due to somone had broken down and were sitting in the hard sholder or there was a foriegn object on the road.
My point is 80 klms takes the piss on a freeway unless theres road works. the south eastern through melbourne is now 80 klms since all the updates started a few years back, which is meant to make the traffic flow better why not put it back to 100, its just a pain in the arse trying to stick to 80 when trucks are in the outside lane doing 90.
Also 100 is too slow at least make it 110 klms = 70mph isn't fast. My Dad who's in his mid sixtys and is very conservative in life drives at 85 mph about 140 klms.
You might say the roads are different between England and Australia if anything Australias freeways are wider lanes and more of them (lanes).
Also throw into the mix of somone who does aproxx 40000 klms a year going about my daily works with somone who only does 10000 klms a year driving to the office and back theres a 4x more chance of me gaining a fine than the same driver only doing 10000 a year.
SPEEDING It really is money for jam with a saving lives banner to wrap it in.
The best thing about driving in the UK is the road signs,,, Not something you think about much, but each exit is clearly signed overhead and on the road 5 ks from the exit.
You don't see cars cutting accross 3 lanes at a exits as you do here.
The motorways work well there, but watch the narrow north England/Scottish roads, some are too narrow for 2 motorbikes to pass side by side
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Honestly, in this day and age with modern cars, technology and all the other stuff that goes with it....
,if 110kph is the maximum safest speed that motorists are able to travel at, it really says alot about someones driving ability and their risk assesment. 🙅🙅
Welcome to the nanny state folks. Please collect your packet of cotton wool and roll of reflective tape at the front counter.....
*NEXT!*................ 🙁
If you can't fix it with a hammer,
you have an electrical problem....
haha yes thats very true. I notice people are crap at driving.
😂 there was a woman that stacked her car into a tree on the center divide on the calder about march this year.
How do u stack driving in a dead straight line??
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vlad01 wrote:haha yes thats very true. I notice people are crap at driving.
😂 there was a woman that stacked her car into a tree on the center divide on the calder about march this year.
How do u stack driving in a dead straight line??
She missed the turnoff!
😂😂😂If you can't fix it with a hammer,
you have an electrical problem....
