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Barnabie Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#797954
Hi guys, does anyone have any advice on who to take a 71 Beetle 1300 to, to have it lowered (front + rear)?? Don't wan't it to be panscraping low, but definitely low enough to tidy it up.

Also, what sort of cost would be reasonable to expect??

I live in NSW (rural) but don't have a problem with taking the car anywhere in NSW or even in Victoria if necessary.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Kris.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#797981
Barnabie wrote:Hi guys, does anyone have any advice on who to take a 71 Beetle 1300 to, to have it lowered (front + rear)?? Don't wan't it to be panscraping low, but definitely low enough to tidy it up.

Also, what sort of cost would be reasonable to expect??

I live in NSW (rural) but don't have a problem with taking the car anywhere in NSW or even in Victoria if necessary.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Kris.
Can be very expensive to have the front lowered...
as the front has to be pulled apart...
and adjusters fitted [welded in] so You can adjust the front up & down as You want

the rear is also time consuming... so costly..
but no parts needed.. although I would replace the torsion bar rubbers at that time...
[rubbers would be the cheapest part]

shop about for prices...

LEE
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Phil74Camper Head in the Clouds

2,703 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#798001
Canberra VW Centre is probably closest to you in Wagga. Give them a ring on (02) 6293 1941 and ask for quotes.

What's wrong with the stock ride height?

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#798004
Phil74Camper wrote:What's wrong with the stock ride height?
Everything! 😂
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Barnabie Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#798017

What's wrong with the stock ride height?
Nothing is wrong with it I guess, I'm fitting some rims and just don't want it to end up looking like a 4WD afterwards. If I wasn't fitting rims I wouldn't bother changing anything.

empi Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,131 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#798023
Barney , like a said, get a premade narrowed adjustable beam and bring it to me!!!
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Snap Crackle Bang Seriously Crusin Dubber

146 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·

#798092
If your new rims increase the rear track at all you will find that the rear suspension will sit a little lower. (I assume it's a swing axle)

Barnabie Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#798107
Yep - but the new rims are still same size as originals.

Its more the front end that sits a little high for my liking.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#798170
Phil74Camper wrote:Canberra VW Centre is probably closest to you in Wagga. Give them a ring on (02) 6293 1941 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (02) 6293 1941      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (02) 6293 1941      end_of_the_skype_highlighting and ask for quotes.

What's wrong with the stock ride height?
the front always looks too high on a beetle... IMHO..

especially on the later ones 68>>

1302 & 1303s worse... IMHO...

but great if You drive on country roads etc... lol

then again, I hate the narrowed front beam look... lol

LEE

PS: front just looks too high...
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Barnabie Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#798196

PS: front just looks too high...



You're right Lee, the front is definitely too high ... but then again once I lower that the back will probably look too high!

As you say, it does have its advantages when driving in regional areas, but the roads around here aren't too bad, and its not my daily driver anymore.

Anywho, I'll lower the front with a beam swap and reassess the rear - but I dare say it'll get the treatment too.

Barnabie Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#798198
This looks nice and tidy, but not excessively low (IMO).

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Barnabie Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#798199
Love this photo ... reminds me of holidays with the beetle ...

Nice ride height too (IMO)

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#798309
Now thats noice! 👍
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Barnabie Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#798352
Paulc1964au wrote:Here are before and after shots of my rosie, i had the front lowered by two and a half inches

I had the guys from RAW install drop spindles and readjust the rear

That looks way better than the b4 photos 👍

Tidier, but still practical. 👍

Would you possibly PM me the details of the cost?

Much appreciated,

Kris.

Paulc1964au Custom Title Time!

1,627 posts · joined Mar 2010 ·

#798392
dropspindles were approx $300 and i paid approx $200 for labour.

It is also important to get the tire combination right as well i have 195 x 65 x 15 on the rear and 175 x 65 x 15 on the front.

The front tires are rubbing on full lock but hoping once i put decent shocks on the front it will improve
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zayus Wolfsburg Wizard

437 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#798449
Paulc1964au wrote:dropspindles were approx $300 and i paid approx $200 for labour.

It is also important to get the tire combination right as well i have 195 x 65 x 15 on the rear and 175 x 65 x 15 on the front.

The front tires are rubbing on full lock but hoping once i put decent shocks on the front it will improve
Paul,

That is the best piece of information I have read, regarding drop spindles and tyre size.

Thanks,
Bryce

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#798462
I'd call that red 1200 beetle on gas burners excessively low

thats a 2 spline drop at the back, without notched spring plates a shopping trolley would have more suspension travel than that thing.
Doesnt mean it don't look hot though

Paulc1964au Custom Title Time!

1,627 posts · joined Mar 2010 ·

#798513
zayus wrote:
Paulc1964au wrote:dropspindles were approx $300 and i paid approx $200 for labour.

It is also important to get the tire combination right as well i have 195 x 65 x 15 on the rear and 175 x 65 x 15 on the front.

The front tires are rubbing on full lock but hoping once i put decent shocks on the front it will improve
Paul,

That is the best piece of information I have read, regarding drop spindles and tyre size.

Thanks,
Bryce
Thanks Bryce,

I did a fair bit of research and the most important lesson learnt is the V65 is a percentage of the width of the tire. So the total diameter of the rear tires are 640mm and the fronts are 590mm which helps with reducing the possibility of the tyres rubbing on the front guard.

The smaller dimension of the front tires has had a minor affect on the speedo accuracy but so far it seems to be very marginal.

At the end of the day tire size etc is personal choice but I am happy with how Rosie looks and feels. I have had a lot of positive comments from hose who have seen her before and after
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Barnabie Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#798553
Joel wrote:I'd call that red 1200 beetle on gas burners excessively low

thats a 2 spline drop at the back, without notched spring plates a shopping trolley would have more suspension travel than that thing.
Doesnt mean it don't look hot though

You're probably right, but hey, isn't that what seats have springs for 🤪

lownsneaky Casual Dubber

32 posts · joined Sep 2010 ·

#803834
dont hack the springs what ever you do lol nothing but dramas

Johnnie B Learner Dubber

13 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#833836
The cheapest way to drop the front would be to get a set of drop spindles. This will drop the front 2.5 inches. It is an easy job if you are mechanically minded.
The rear end is also pretty simple as well, again if you are mechanically minded. You can either move the spingplates a couple of splines on the torsion bars or get adjustable springplates. It only took me an hour to drop the rear end on my 66.
If you do go for a new narrowed beam. I would only get a two inch narrowed one. Anything narrower, you will need new tie rods and you may not be able to run shocks on the front.

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barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#833872
hey jonny b your about 8months late with that post.
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Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#833904
Last time I checked quality dropped spindles were far from cheap.

Cheapest way to drop the front of a beam bug.

Remove front end

Find a mate with a welder

cut and turn anchor points

weld back together

profit

Johnnie B Learner Dubber

13 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#833913
Joel wrote:Last time I checked quality dropped spindles were far from cheap.

Cheapest way to drop the front of a beam bug.

Remove front end

Find a mate with a welder

cut and turn anchor points

weld back together

profit
California Import Parts have 2.5 inch drop spindles for $89.95 Canadian for a pair. I have no idea about freight though. Guess I am lucky that I only live 30mins from their warehouse!

Telebeetle Learner Dubber

1 post · joined Jun 2011 ·

#845367
Yo Dudes. New to this forum and although I only visit every now and again, though I needed to register and comment.
A '71 beetle is a 1302. Meaning it has a strut front end and independant sus at the rear.
What happens with these cars is the rear torsion bars sag over time but the strut front end does not.
This is a real problem because if you're cruising at freeway speeds, the air gets under the car, lifts the front end and the steering gets too light. Very dangerous.
My advice. Lower the front springs. It is illegal to cut springs, so I would advise against that. Be sure to cut the springs from the top where the coils are bunched. The obvious way is the spread out end but that is the progressive end and if you lower from there, the suspension will become very tight and bumpy.
Leave the rear alone it will be just right after the front end is lowered. In fact, your car will have a wedge type shape against the wind. That will nail it against the road.

My Beetle is the same. '71 Superbug.

Cheers

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#845395
Telebeetle wrote:My Beetle is the same. '71 Superbug.
Telebeetle, not sure if you're from aus or not but they are 2 very different cars.

Yours is a 1302 super which is Mcpherson strut front and IRS rear, the OPs car is a 71 1300 beetle which is balljoint front, and swing axle rear.
They sold both beetle types from 71 onwards in most parts of the globe.

If you wanna lower a strut bug on the cheap don't cut the springs, reweld the bottom spring cup on abit lower.

Newt Wolfsburg Wizard

478 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#850545
Could be wrong, but I thought bugs handled better when the nose was a bit higher than the rear....
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Wired1 Learner Dubber

14 posts · joined Jul 2011 ·

#853495
This is my 1974 1500 beetle which is ball joint front beam and swing axle rear:

... and this is my recently sold 1966 beetle that is ball joint front beam and swing rear:

The cheapest way to lower the front on either a ball joint or link/king pin front is to cut the beam and turn it. If you can weld it will cost you only time.
If you can't weld and you have a ball joint beetle then the dropped spindles is probably cheaper than adjusters as they are a bolt in part. On a link pin/king pin front it is expensive to fit them and you will probably need to get it done as the king pins need to be reamed and pressed in with an hydraulic press.
This is the video of the top one I recently lowered:
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