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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817573
Just a question on handling at higher speeds

My car drives fine and handles well - most of the time

The only time I have an issue is if I change lanes on a multi lane free way at higher speeds.
Not that I would drive in excess of 110km/hr - but lets just assume for the sake of arguement that I did 🙅

As I said -
if I drive straight - fine
if I go round a corner - fine

The issue I have is when I go to and changle lanes and hit the cats eyes I seem to get a quick twist/pull/track issue. Sort of like a very quick left right??

Nothing major - just a bit of a pull/wiggle

Hard to test but seems to be only when i hit cats eyes??
Not many places I can test without lane markers
Dont believe it is an issue if I drive on a single lane and go to overtake

Is it just the fact I am running wide wheels??
Rear wheel alignment?
Futue te ipsum!!!

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817576
NO get a torsion bar front end never a problem with them
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


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HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#817578
How wide are your tyres? Very wide tyre can 'tram-line', particularly if the wheel alignment is not spot on.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817585
Hi Baz

You may need more caster.

Steve

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817587
have u checked all the bushes n ball joints for wear

the cat eyes will lift the load from the wheel
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817597
Thanks for the replies

Dave
Go away - NEVER will I take a retrogressive step

Happy
Tires
Front - 205 16" 55 series
Rear - 225 16" 50 series

Are you talking front or rear wheel alignment or both??

Steve
How do you adjust caster??

Dave
Ball joints are less than 2 years old
I did a FULL front end bush upgrade a while back
Futue te ipsum!!!

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817599
Hi

Caster is fixed but it can be adjusted if adjustable strut tops are fitted or a new sway bar with caster adjustment built in.

Steve

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#817610
Like Greg said its just tram tracking, I get it in mine when I have big rims on.
Bout the only downside to having wide tyres on.

I generally do my own alignments but a good computer one by a tyre shop can usually get rid of it.
I fixed my castor problems with lowered swaybar and castor fix bushings from topline,

squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe

4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#817618
vw54 wrote:NO get a torsion bar front end never a problem with them
Ha ha. Go on Barry, you know you want to,

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#817626
I've been trying to figure out what the cats eyes had to do with your problem.😵‍💫 OK, they usually put them on the join - where the lanes of hot-mix meet,right? Those joints are not always even or level, and when the tyres hit that uneven joint, the tend to follow the crooked line.👎 That's known as 'tram lining' (or 'tram tracking', if you are from the Northern Rivers area) - the wider the tyres, the worse it is, usually. Maybe that's why those V8 Super-duper car drivers keep hitting each other - they use VERY wide tyres.😂😂😂
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817632
HappyDaze
What I mean by cats eyes is the white bump things on the broken lines between lanes on the M4
When I hit them I have my moment
Futue te ipsum!!!

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817633
Barry

have you tried holding onto the wheel tighter ????

Mate do yrself a favour and convert it to a torsion bar no more clunks or bangs

What toe in do u have maybe a little more may get it tracking better
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


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http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603


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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817636
vw54 wrote:Barry

have you tried holding onto the wheel tighter ????

Mate do yrself a favour and convert it to a torsion bar no more clunks or bangs

What toe in do u have maybe a little more may get it tracking better
Then get the council to widen the road so that you can turn your car around, and in return you can plough fields for them with the tractor suspension

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817637
at least they dont have issues "" high speed track issue?? """
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


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HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#817643
You're getting a lot of advice here, and it's all free🙄 The thing about free advice..........you get what you pay for.😂
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#817646
vw54 wrote:at least they dont have issues "" high speed track issue?? """
So how do you describe what happened
with the Vintage car at Warwick Dave?!😂
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817647
dangerous wrote:
vw54 wrote:at least they dont have issues "" high speed track issue?? """
So how do you describe what happened
with the Vintage car at Warwick Dave?!😂
If it had more lock he could have caught it

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#817656
HappyDaze wrote:You're getting a lot of advice here, and it's all free🙄 The thing about free advice..........you get what you pay for.😂
haha fuching awesome 😂

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Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817657
So how do you describe what happened
happened rnwith the Vintage car at Warwick Dave?!
driver error hes drives farking oooyota every day of the week
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#817705
what are your shocks and struts like ?


Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817746
All newish -
KYB's on the rear about 4 years old
Boge?? inserts on the front about a year old
Futue te ipsum!!!

johny rotten Officially Full-On Dubber

366 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#817829
its a superbug thing
there shite

johny rotten Officially Full-On Dubber

366 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#817830
as already stated above ,more caster will improve stability at higher speeds
😂

waveman1500 Also rides a Honda

1,346 posts · joined Dec 2009 ·

#817832
johny rotten wrote:its a superbug thing
there shite
I agree with this and I love my Super! The front end design just does like to shake and shimmy around. You've done well to only have it happening at high speeds, mine sometimes does it a 60km/h. Tried new bushes and so forth, but I think it's just basically an inherent flaw in the design. The only thing which always cures it for me is putting weight in the front. When I'm helping a mate work on his car and load up with a heavy floor jack, axle stands and other tools then the car drives beautifully. With no load in the front the ride is not as nice and it occasionally gets the 'superbug shimmies'.
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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817839
johny rotten wrote:its a superbug thing
r....i....g....h.....t

Thanks for the advice johnny



Now what did Happy say about free advice 😘
Futue te ipsum!!!

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#817842
johny rotten wrote:its a superbug thing
there shite
as usual another quality lot of information there mate keep up the good work
tosser
mine drive as smooth as any beam version ive driven.
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#817859
Hi

I haven't had the shakes since I went to Urethane bushes.

When you lower a Super you actually take caster away, the wheels get pushed toward the back of the car.

Try some caster fix bushes, I have some you can borrow if you want, I took them out my sons bug as they made the tyres touch the front edge of the mudguard, we only have fag paper of clearance at the best of times.

Steve

johny rotten Officially Full-On Dubber

366 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#817871
thats funny , beam front end cars don't have any tracking issues
Tosser 😀

johny rotten Officially Full-On Dubber

366 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#817876
barls wrote:
johny rotten wrote:its a superbug thing
there shite
as usual another quality lot of information there mate keep up the good work
tosser
mine drive as smooth as any beam version ive driven.

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#817878
more caster will help at high speeds. not enough caster will cause twitchiness and instability at high speeds.
Polyurethane bushes help enormously. I know first hand 👍 👍

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE