acemarc Casual Dubber
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Also what fuel should I be using and do I really need to add valve saver. As far as I know my motor is still original. 100k
acemarc Casual Dubber
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Hiacemarc wrote:I put a GT 4 tip exhaust and j pipes on the other day. (73 Fasty) Sounds good. Started her up and had a look under for leaks. There is a metal pipe pointing down near the sump that had a fair bit of air/ exhaust coming out. Is this a breather pipe? Should it be connected to something?
Also what fuel should I be using and do I really need to add valve saver. As far as I know my motor is still original. 100k
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Matt Ryan Fahrvergnugen
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that is a breather pipe.. from the engine oil filler... stops any build up of pressure in the crankcase... they used to have a rubber tip that closed when there was no pressure but haven't seen one for years... lol
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
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Hi Vlad,vlad01 wrote:Fair bit of air coming out of your breather? 🙅
your engine is excessively worn probably from some idiot removing the thermostat I bet😂 or/and using "castrol GTX" 🙄
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Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber
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Lucky Phil wrote:BUT!!!
When it gets hotter and the vanes travel further they then redirect more air to the heads where there are a lot more cooling fins. Without the thermostat system in place you are missing out on valuable cooling in hot conditions. That accounts for all the cracked heads you see.
Phil.
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Hi Rusty,Old Rusty_VW wrote:Lucky Phil wrote:BUT!!!
When it gets hotter and the vanes travel further they then redirect more air to the heads where there are a lot more cooling fins. Without the thermostat system in place you are missing out on valuable cooling in hot conditions. That accounts for all the cracked heads you see.
Phil.
If the air duct flaps are removed totally, wouldn't this just mean that the engine would be slower heating up? Would only be a problem in colder areas of Australia.
VW trained mechanics around Sydney in the 60s certainly were told to remove the thermostat and lock the air duct flaps in the fully open position. The only reason many overheated was that owners didn't address oil leaks and dust/dirt caked onto the cylinders and heads which restricted the cooling air flow.
Rusty
Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber
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Hello Lee. Just reading about the Type 3 pancake engine and the actual air duct flaps are in the aluminium fan housing and only seem to be a restriction to airflow until operating temperature is reached. There doesn't seem to be any vanes in the tinware to direct the air on an engine I have in pieces other than the small pieces between/ under the cylinders to direct the air to cool that part. Are there vanes to actually do this on an upright engine which makes them that bit different to a Type 3 engine?? Maybe some of the cooling problems and head cracking, especially on the cyl 3/4 bank on these engines is the use of a non Type 3 distributor which doesn't have the retardation on cylinder 3. Maybe the VW design engineers also knew a bit more than some of the current Type 3 enthusiasts by trying to combat the heat from the oil cooler.68AutoBug wrote:Hi Rusty,Old Rusty_VW wrote:Lucky Phil wrote:BUT!!!
When it gets hotter and the vanes travel further they then redirect more air to the heads where there are a lot more cooling fins. Without the thermostat system in place you are missing out on valuable cooling in hot conditions. That accounts for all the cracked heads you see.
Phil.
If the air duct flaps are removed totally, wouldn't this just mean that the engine would be slower heating up? Would only be a problem in colder areas of Australia.
VW trained mechanics around Sydney in the 60s certainly were told to remove the thermostat and lock the air duct flaps in the fully open position. The only reason many overheated was that owners didn't address oil leaks and dust/dirt caked onto the cylinders and heads which restricted the cooling air flow.
Rusty
the vanes actually point the flow of air into certain places , its not a random thing... there are lots of air directing bits inside a VW fan shroud..
and these don't work without the vanes to direct the air...
I remember reading Larry Perkins bathurst winner and rally driver saying that VW spent huge amounts of money into their engine cooling system....
and that it should NOT be taken out ...
its better for your engine to have it in place...
and that means all tinware in place....
Lee
also
Many people never ever looked at the Cooling system ...
since there was no radiator.... no cooling fluids -
or hoses or water pump... as advertised by VW ...
they thought there wasn't anything else....
even though VW servicing costs were minimal back in the 50s and early 60s...
but I don't believe there was any mention of keeping the fins clean in the owners manual....
and when You think of the dust problems back then on outback roads... and many other roads..
its lucky the engines went as long as they did.... lol
LEE
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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
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both spot on!Old Rusty_VW wrote:Lucky Phil wrote:BUT!!!
When it gets hotter and the vanes travel further they then redirect more air to the heads where there are a lot more cooling fins. Without the thermostat system in place you are missing out on valuable cooling in hot conditions. That accounts for all the cracked heads you see.
Phil.
If the air duct flaps are removed totally, wouldn't this just mean that the engine would be slower heating up? Would only be a problem in colder areas of Australia.
VW trained mechanics around Sydney in the 60s certainly were told to remove the thermostat and lock the air duct flaps in the fully open position. The only reason many overheated was that owners didn't address oil leaks and dust/dirt caked onto the cylinders and heads which restricted the cooling air flow.
Rusty
Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber
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Vlad01, I wouldn't think that too many VWs got that many Km without problems back when they were common on the roads. I seem to remember people doing hand stands if an engine lasted much more than 100,000 km without at least a top end job. I do remember both 1200 Bugs and Type 3s having failed exhaust valves in the earlier 60s when both 1200 and 1500 engines shared the same rocker shaft system with the long studs. Plenty of valve clearance, especially when the thread in the head stripped. It all then ran hot on at least one cylinder as the valve only partially opened to get rid of exhaust gas.vlad01 wrote:both spot on!Old Rusty_VW wrote:Lucky Phil wrote:BUT!!!
When it gets hotter and the vanes travel further they then redirect more air to the heads where there are a lot more cooling fins. Without the thermostat system in place you are missing out on valuable cooling in hot conditions. That accounts for all the cracked heads you see.
Phil.
If the air duct flaps are removed totally, wouldn't this just mean that the engine would be slower heating up? Would only be a problem in colder areas of Australia.
VW trained mechanics around Sydney in the 60s certainly were told to remove the thermostat and lock the air duct flaps in the fully open position. The only reason many overheated was that owners didn't address oil leaks and dust/dirt caked onto the cylinders and heads which restricted the cooling air flow.
Rusty
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I might add.... Just because these are air cooled, does not give a right to remove a thermostat. They have the exact same role as it has in a water cooled engine.
If you remove them, especially in cold areas, you ARE GOING PREMATURELY WEAR YOUR ENGINE! and never see the 200,000Km+ they are suppose to get and worn after like 30,000Km like everyone thinks is normal these days.
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