Good to see something different , mate . I need to talk to a engineer , who is the man ( name ) Have you spoken to him about extending the beam out ?
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Dak-A-Tak Volksie Pete
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Bugrod for anyone to build.
renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
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No Beam Extension! it changes it too much and then you need another modification plate. This project was started so that anyone can build a volksrod for the road. I will be documenting everything, it will be done the easiest way with minimal problems to get it registered. The engineer is a client of mine and doesn't do public certification ( I'm an exception).Sorry.
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renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
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this is the new exhaust, finally fitted the motor.
1600 TP with twin 40IDF Webber's, Petronix electronic ignition.
1600 TP with twin 40IDF Webber's, Petronix electronic ignition.
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Got the motor Started, it sounds loud as Hell!!
Very Happy!! few more bits to weld, and off to the engineer.........
Very Happy!! few more bits to weld, and off to the engineer.........
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theVman Officially Full-On Dubber
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Hi renebugrod,renebugrod wrote:No Beam Extension! it changes it too much and then you need another modification plate.
So what if you wanted to do a beam extension anyway, comply and get the mod plate, do you know or can you find out whats involved?
renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
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Not sure what certification you need to do to extend the beam? It does change the Ackerman angle (steering Geometry) and can cause difficult steering and wearing your tyres and suspension out.
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theVman Officially Full-On Dubber
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Hi renebugrod,renebugrod wrote:Not sure what certification you need to do to extend the beam? It does change the Ackerman angle (steering Geometry) and can cause difficult steering and wearing your tyres and suspension out.
I’m not sure that it does harm Ackerman. In fact most of the articles I have read indicate that VW beetles have poor Ackerman anyway and the beam extender actually improves it. Most of the issue is at very slow speed like when doing a u turn at full lock. There is Ackerman angle and Ackerman steering and for small steering angles, Ackerman is minimal. I think more tyre and suspension wear comes from driving habit and poor wheel alignment rather than differences in Ackerman.
renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
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Thanks Vman, I will look into it in more detail, I assumed that the Ackerman would be correct when the beetle was built.
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theVman Officially Full-On Dubber
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Hi renebugrod,renebugrod wrote:Thanks Vman, I will look into it in more detail, I assumed that the Ackerman would be correct when the beetle was built.
Yes, so did I until I read up about "Ackerman Principle". Turns out there are quite a lot of manufactures that paid little attention to it at all. If you look at certain models within car brands, you find they all use the same suspension components across models. Some models have longer wheelbase (eg: Holden wagons/statesman's longer than sedans) without any correction of Ackerman. Some vehicle designs had bad Ackerman and required after market components to rectify or correct this.
I think Ackerman is used by authorities to discourage or stop people from doing modifications because it is such a confusing principle. They too think the manufactures always get it right, but that's far from true. They don't want to accept that some after market modification actually improve a vehicle but assume it has to make it worse.
Stretched vehicles all have absolutely killed their Ackerman but there are plenty of those on the road.
Using the standard VW front end and simply moving it forward via a beam extension does change "Ackerman" but not the" Ackerman angle". This slight change in Ackerman can be adjusted in toe when doing a wheel alignment.
Ackerman is also affected by, tyre slip angle which varies with speed, Lateral Force, tyre stiffness, tyre load, toe angles, camber, caster, lowering, rake, roll centre, wheel backspace and everything else you can think of that contributes to steering geometry.
So in real terms for example, changing from drums to disc's has 100 fold better safety improvement than worrying about slight changes in Ackerman with a beam extension.
This is why I find it hard to believe there is so many certifiers that have issues with beam extensions with regard to this.
More of a concern would be a beam extension without a brace back to the firewall.
This is longer but stronger
renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
112 posts · joined Jul 2008 ·
Thanks for the info, nice to know there are people out there that understand that you can't just build a rod without some planning!
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renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
112 posts · joined Jul 2008 ·
Two month's pasted already! Time fly's! Back on the case again.
- Roll bar getting made at the moment.
- Door gussets getting rolled, should have them back soon.
- Seats fitted.
- Seat upholstery finished and ready to be fitted. (post pictures soon).
- Need some crazy bugger to test drive her!!
- Roll bar getting made at the moment.
- Door gussets getting rolled, should have them back soon.
- Seats fitted.
- Seat upholstery finished and ready to be fitted. (post pictures soon).
- Need some crazy bugger to test drive her!!
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RATAFIED Seriously Crusin Dubber
158 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
thats how i did mine
RUST IN PEACE
renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
112 posts · joined Jul 2008 ·
Nice work!! Considering the extension.
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Spanky57 Learner Dubber
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I've seen examples online of people using a sandblaster to cut the tempered safety glass down. Has to be cut on both sides. You might try looking at some of the hotrodder websites for more info.
Car's looking fantastic!
Mike
Car's looking fantastic!
Mike
renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
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Thanks Mike, I'll look into it.
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waveman1500 Also rides a Honda
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Nice work! This is looking pretty good. That beam extension would really help the proportions though...
Are you considering making a tonneau to cover up all of the seats when not in use? I think the car is crying out for one. Not only would it look awesome when driving alone, but it would be really handy if you ever needed to leave the car in the rain.
Are you considering making a tonneau to cover up all of the seats when not in use? I think the car is crying out for one. Not only would it look awesome when driving alone, but it would be really handy if you ever needed to leave the car in the rain.
renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
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Thanks Waveman, I was thinking maybe something like this.
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theVman Officially Full-On Dubber
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Yes, nice neat work. do you have a pic of the guard mountings?renebugrod wrote:k
renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
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That's A secret that can't be told, yet!
Wait until it gets approved first, then it will be printed in a book for everyone to enjoy!
Wait until it gets approved first, then it will be printed in a book for everyone to enjoy!
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DubbyFan Wolfsburg Wizard
518 posts · joined Nov 2010 ·
Enjoying this build, so you are going to produce a book on
this build right?
this build right?
renebugrod Seriously Crusin Dubber
112 posts · joined Jul 2008 ·
I wanted to build a Hotrod with a budget of $3000. So far so good! I will be making a picture book of how it is done, so that anyone can build one themselves. Keep posted.
P.S The build is on hold at the moment as I am waiting for other people to Make some parts. Namely the roll bar and door gussets, as I don't have a pipe bender on rolling machine.
P.S The build is on hold at the moment as I am waiting for other people to Make some parts. Namely the roll bar and door gussets, as I don't have a pipe bender on rolling machine.
Anyone can restore a classic, but it takes guts to cut one up!
Scratch Commited Dubber
74 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·
I'd be interested in this book. Looks awesome so far..
Looooooooook aaaat thaaat tuuuuuuuurtle go, broooo..
Rob L Learner Dubber
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I love your build, and your aim for a under $3K Budget. I'd interested in your book (if nothing else to se the secret mounting😀). for me it is the first "Rod" and I dont have the funds for the enevatable mistakes on a big budget build.