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Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846188
Hello all,

Well, i'm procrastinating extremely hard from Uni study at the moment and have been pondering my 'dream' engine. Yes, 2.7L is the desired displacement - why?

because it is way more than enough, because I want 2.7L, because lots of people say I shouldn't and lots of people say it's hard and expensive. Which of course I have no doubt is totally correct. But, my point is - let me dream, let us all dream (procrastinate) and see if we can do it. I'm sure there will be a few, "2276's go well in a beetle - all you need". I'm sure they do go well and hey, probs will end up building on of them instead one day. But I dare to go a biit further in my procrastination. Yes there are problems with rego etc etc - but these can be over come one way or another.

Ok so a few things:

engine in the back of a beetle
type 4 engine / (brings me to my first question)
naturally aspirated
lets say on the 1/4 mile - as close to 10s as possible... (11's sweet as, you know... i'm not too fussed as long as its suprisingly fast)
Limited use on the road - but driveable on the road, mainly a weekend fun car / scare the crap out of people occasionaly (sleeper) / powercrusier?

Lets say i'm happy to buy expensive bits atm and money is no problem. (which it is, but this is dreaming remember)

Q1) Case? Used type 4 case rebuilt? (guessing nah?)
Scat? (can you use type 4 style bits in these?)
Pauter? (you have to buy pauter heads then right?)

I'm guessing, and answering my own question here to a degree, but better off with an engine of this size etc to buy a brand new case?

Lets just leave it at that for the moment! Enjoy dreaming! Please just tell yourself 'this kid is crazy it will never work' then type something that is remotely helpfull if possible?? haha 🙂

I'm looking to learn alot here, feel free to critisize I guess, its your right, but I like positive people...... and... I should really stop procrastination and go do some study!!!

So thanks in advance, have a bit of fun with this, happy to asnwer anymore q's that would help the dreaming continue!

p.s I'm drawing some inspiration from these guys

http://www.boxergasse.com/html/slalom.html - check out the slalom section!

check this

annnnd this http://www.boxergasse.com/html/street_race.html (google translate is your friend)

hope some people find this interesting 🙂

Cheers

Josh

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#846190
I've been going to start a Procrastinators Club for years. Maybe next year?

Just remember............Never put off until tomorrow, what you can put off until the day after!😉
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#846192
give richard at vforce a ring. they raced a 2.7 at the nationals and are also building a scary fi turbo version.
“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
the chaos project - click me

Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846193
I like that quote happy daze!

Barls. Was that the lime green one? If so I think I've seen it on you tube. Epic

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#846196
thats their green one on youtube
its the motor out of the lime green one thats in the yellow one that they are racing atm. the green one has undergone a complete reincarnation into a complete track machine. 2.7L fi turbo last time i looked and will be truly something to see on the track when its finished.
“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
the chaos project - click me

Klaus Custom Title Time!

1,439 posts · joined Aug 2004 ·

#846201
rod penrose has a 2.8ltr type 4 injected sitting on his workshop floor 🙂

vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·

#846204
Will you be build the engine your self, if you are competent you will save a lot of money, the only limiting factor with things like this is your wallet.

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#846205
I've seen a street bug with a 3.1L type4 in it, that would scare alot of people.

What model bug is this going in?
would be worth sussing out the ADRs
I know with mine that fits into the 73 onwards ADRs I can go 3L N/A or 2.2 turbo.
beyond that it starts needing crap like ABS and TCS etc
Dunno how much different QLD is but it wouldn't be too far off NSW.

A tranny to handle that much power will be your big problem.

cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#846216
my friend has a 2.7 t4...150 whp,low comp and only 44 idfs.....put some 48's or so and bump the comp up.....ooh yeah.....very tough engine.........home ported heads, non welded...

10-11 sec 1/4's ,good luck.....you need more then just a donk to get those times also a lot of $$$$$$$..... but dreaming is always good too....

good luck....

Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846217
Thanks for the replies everyone. Loving it. Keep em coming. Yes would like to build the core myself. And Joel haven't considered what model. But not really fussy. 1303s would be nice. But whatever i can get away with Yes tranny is another expense I'd have to take into account. I'm guessing around say 10g for tranny?

My engine would be efi too...

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#846222
Joel wrote:I've seen a street bug with a 3.1L type4 in it, that would scare alot of people.

What model bug is this going in?
would be worth sussing out the ADRs
I know with mine that fits into the 73 onwards ADRs I can go 3L N/A or 2.2 turbo.
beyond that it starts needing crap like ABS and TCS etc
Dunno how much different QLD is but it wouldn't be too far off NSW.

A tranny to handle that much power will be your big problem.
are you talking about Jake's blubonic plague? or was that 3.0L?

yes that car is scary as 🤪

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

VolksVair Officially Full-On Dubber

252 posts · joined Apr 2010 ·

#846226
Air cooled 2.7 ltr? this one fits in a bug.
Adventure Before Dimentia

Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846363
hey Zayus, i'm a member of that forum.. have had brief searches and what not but not really come across to much info that i'm after - i'm sure I will if I look harder.

I know there are alot of experts on this forum too and I value thier inputs!

Cheers again!

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#846364
vlad01 wrote:
Joel wrote:I've seen a street bug with a 3.1L type4 in it, that would scare alot of people.

What model bug is this going in?
would be worth sussing out the ADRs
I know with mine that fits into the 73 onwards ADRs I can go 3L N/A or 2.2 turbo.
beyond that it starts needing crap like ABS and TCS etc
Dunno how much different QLD is but it wouldn't be too far off NSW.

A tranny to handle that much power will be your big problem.
are you talking about Jake's blubonic plague? or was that 3.0L?

yes that car is scary as 🤪
This was about 15 years ago, I don't think it was anything to do with Jake, was definatley 3.1L though

VolksVair wrote:Air cooled 2.7 ltr? this one fits in a bug.
You ever seen a Bug corvair conversion? it's more like making the bug fit the engine.
Alot of bodywork needed to fit it and cover it up.
or just let it all hang out 😂





Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846384
Epic pics Joel. Could have bought a covair engine a few months ago but had no money! Well I bought a 2nd hand 1800 instead for cheap.

Brings me back though, what do you all think would a type 4 case obviously tidied up. Line bored etc everything that needs being done be ok?? There are such Dutch dudes running a 2666 on what looks like a type 4 case but with a lot of oil filter and cooler adapters which would be a must obviously...

waltermitty Legend when my beer goggles are on

1,993 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#846392
Carter wrote:Epic pics Joel. Could have bought a covair engine a few months ago but had no money! Well I bought a 2nd hand 1800 instead for cheap.

Brings me back though, what do you all think would a type 4 case obviously tidied up. Line bored etc everything that needs being done be ok?? There are such Dutch dudes running a 2666 on what looks like a type 4 case but with a lot of oil filter and cooler adapters which would be a must obviously...
DUTCH DUDES! You should reed some of the replies made.
Mitchell
23 windows ...8 too many!

Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846395
Huh? Haha...

nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk

2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#846425
Hey Carter Dude,I had a dream and ended up with a 2733 fuel injected Type 4 in my Oval Bug.

Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846426
I like it man 2733 what bore and stroke is that? Fuel injected and large! Love it.

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#846467
Talking of dreaming.........2980 EFI.......


I bought an ex off road race motor, definately a way to save some bucks.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

zayus Wolfsburg Wizard

437 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#846485
Mr Remmele seems to know a few things about Type IV monsters....

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Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846528
This is all very exciting. Matt 2980 far out. Any hp or kw figures? Im sure it was more torquey than anything for offload?

Yes remmelle does make some incredible engines and cars!! So sexy!

Ok next q all. Do pauter heads only fit pauter case?

And do remmelle heads fit stock type 4 cases?

Do engine plus heads fit stock type 4 cases?

Please feel free to dish out any knowlede about these heads and your advice!!

There are sone new heads in development from NZ for the type 4. terra head I think it's called??

Anyways let me know what you all think the best head is out there (limit dirty jokes)

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#846535
matberry wrote:Talking of dreaming.........2980 EFI.......


I bought an ex off road race motor, definately a way to save some bucks.
my dream is/was 2.9L efi, dfi, nickies, twin plug and roller cam.

Looks like Raby is doing to discontinue all but one size, 2270!

his plans are not final yet but if most likely will have efi, dfi, nickies and roller cam anyway on this 2270, it will just have to be mild turbo to reach my target torque and power😢

awwh, I really liked the idea of a NA 2.9L making over 250ft-lb of torque at 4000rpm and 284hp at 6000rpm.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

ratty 63 Custom Title Time!

1,083 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#846541
Doesn't hurt to dream! 🙂

My Brother runs a 2.5L EFI type IV in his Baja. Great fun both on and off the road. It has been in the car now for years and has not missed a beat.

He has just started collecting parts for a similar motor to put into his Bay window Kombi. He hasn't finalised the details yet, however we have ordered the ECU so I know it will be EFI'ed!

R 🙂
40hp, 6V and ...er... slowly making improvements 😂

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!

Founding member of the Gold Coast Dub Club Inc. 🙂

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#846542
There is a 2.7 ltr flat 6 subaru engine for sale on ebay atm. was going to be used for a vw. Apparently in good working order. 👍
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846546
Nah vw only. Too easy to do an engine conversion

Carter Seriously Crusin Dubber

104 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#846553
Slash vw has the shock factor that gains cred. Any suby engine can go fast but a big vw is a bit harder