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What has Dave Been Up To? 29th AUG 2015: 10.66@126.09mph!!

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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#848574
Sides wrote:Looks like a pretty tidy setup DB - and thanks for the explanation.

Been reading up on the MSD 8 Plus a bit... good thing you fitted that alternator a while back hey !!!

👍
Yep it sure will need the alternator!😂
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#848584
westi wrote:Hey Dave.
Do you think maybe the methanol may be taking up to much volume if it is placed all the way up the top. There fore maybe giving you less room for the air to occupy for a good a/ f ratio.
What do you reakon.
Yes good point Brad,
this is a problem with methanol period.
Not sure it will make much difference in 'space' whether it is injected either top or bottom,
unless it is injected direct into the chamber like the new Comodore engine.

The manifolds DO have a fair bit of cross section,
but there is always room to improve.
My theory with the better atomisation is just something I want to try,
and doubt very much it is the total answer, hence why I have other changes also in the works,
but if the fuel IS atomised better,
it will allow me to use less fuel per HP and thus more space for said air.

My primary reason for the top fuel entry is
to fatten up the power curve on the gear change.
I saw this occur last time I tried the nozzles up high,
but I am hoping this to be a better way to acheive the same result.
The top end normally benefits to if i can generate some controlled stand off.(it is my friend...or not?)

westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#849293
dangerous wrote:Engine survived the dyno, but a bit low on power.
maybe the 100,000lb spings and the telegraph pole pushrods has taken some power ??!😂😊😘


dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#849296
no doubt!
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

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westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

westi what the

1,610 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#849314
your f--kin nut's dude.
i love it.
r u going to ofset chuck and finish of the top's or r you trying something different for max lift.lol🤪
down sharon.

whathaveidone Custom Title Time!

1,559 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#849324
pffffff thats nothing!!!! I make my own cams all the time!!!!!!🤪🤪🤪
Seroiusly though, What you do is awesome. Is there any tool you dont have?????? Cant wait to see it run!!

Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#849342
Wow... just... wow...

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20bkombi Wolfsburg Wizard

597 posts · joined Mar 2009 ·

#849354
Wow... love your work man!!

How much thicker were you able to make the shaft?
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FROSTY Insano Dub Head

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#849386
How long..... did that take man??? That was a massive lump of metal to machine!!!!

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#849396
9 hours!
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#849399
that's impressive

you'll have to knock out a crank now to trump that

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2,534 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#849400
with the duration on those lobes you could duck up stairs and make a coffe while they hold the valve open LOL
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#849401
already made two VW cranks(90 and 82,5mm), one Norton bike, and one Nash vintage car,
but another Volksy with about 94 stroke would be cool.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#849444
Stanley wrote:that's impressive

you'll have to knock out a crank now to trump that
dangerous wrote:already made two VW cranks(90 and 82,5mm), one Norton bike, and one Nash vintage car,
but another Volksy with about 94 stroke would be cool.
😂😂😂😂

DB never ceases to amaze...... 🙂
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Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#849456
So dumb question time from me again DB... what's the finishing process from here on the cam... presumably polishing and/or hardening ???

And how do you avoid the incompatibility with followers problem that keep hearing about, or is that not such an issue with roller cams ???
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#849461
Hi Dave,
the next step will be for the lobes and journals to be pre-ground
to the desired shapes and sizes.

Crankshaft Engineering will do the journals on their crank grinder,
and Surecam will do the lobes to my desired specs.

It will then go off to be case hardened.
In the past I have asked for .060" deep case, but I may ask Surecam to give his recommendation.

After this it will go back to get the lobes and journals finished.
I made a flat tappet cam the same way some years ago,(currently in "Cranky2"),
and it was compatable with any of the induction hardened iron VW lifters(I used Mahle black ones).

In this case it will be able to be run on my current roller lifters no problem.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

STOCK Wolfsburg Wizard

446 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#849607
dave you're a freak
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STOCK

Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#849669
STOCK wrote:dave you're a freak
Heh heh - but he's a freak in that spreader of engine p0rn, taking a Volksy to it's limits, just plain "wow" kind of way.... which makes it OK in my book !!!

😉

Thanks heaps for explanation DB !!!

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westi what the

1,610 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#850571
hey dave.
do you think this will be alright for the new heads.
280 50'
int 670atv
exh 654 atv
it's the same cam i have been running.
what kind off seat and nose pressures would you run.
and what kind of cfm difference should i be aiming for for another 30-40hp.
remembering my bench is 10'.
my old heads last time round were around 174cfm.
i am going to start on the same old bench so i can see ruffly were i start from and then move over to my new bench.whoo hoo.sf600.
down sharon.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#850600
That cam is a little big on duration,but will work fine, especially you plan to run more than 8500rpm.
This all depends on your final head result however.
Remembering that a good cylinder head can extend the rev range, and poor will limit it, for the same valve action.

My bench is also only 10", but I think we found in the past that those figures don't match mine.
Either way, anything better than 150 is good, and above 175 is awesome at 10".

Your 174 equates to 275 cfm at 25", or 275 flywheel HP in my opinion.
Books and theorists say the potential is much higher than this,
but reality, and life, show that it is more common, to make HP less than the same 25" number.

I have always used the 25" conversion,( x 1.5811, as a HP number and it is pretty close to most real engine dynos).
30 to 40 HP more will need 30 to 40 more CFM at 25",
which means 19 to 25 more cfm at 10" I guess.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#850601
OH!
Without knowing if your roller cam profile is stable,
I would have to assume that it is, my own combo used 260 seat and 620 nose for reliable 8400 limit.
A soft profile could use as little as 500 over the nose in a perfect world.

Your rocker arms will have to be able to stand up to this though.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

westi what the

1,610 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#856619
thanks for the info.
as for being stable f--k knows.how do you know if it's stable.
so as the post say's.
what dangerous been up to.
have you put in the big barstard yet.
down sharon.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#856623
You can send the cam away and have its profile simulated, to find out if you combination of parts is stable.

One flat tappet I used in the olden days was sweet at 7600,
but only if it did not spit out the pushrod at 6200!(C45 with 1.6 rockers).

Another time, (at band camp) the lobes were found to be ground backward! (Autocraft).

Zero lash helps.

Still waiting on my new Surecam, but have a Pauter one to try.
It has less duration than yours though.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

reub VWRX is gone...

2,054 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#856634
Another time, (at band camp) the lobes were found to be ground backward! (Autocraft).
...ah, so the lobes are purely for pleasure... not sure which band camp you went too 🙂
Reub

westi what the

1,610 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#856637
were would i send it.
i haven't been to band camp yet.but i still love hearing the stories.
down sharon.

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2,534 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#856671
Might have to get Stock to buy a flute and learn to play it LOL
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#862198
Still waiting on my new cam, so fitted one that Don pauter did especially for me.
New MSD and injection made for a much nicer curve and a little more power.
Remembering that it ran 10.93@122 with 220hp and 1785 lbs of weight,
this should be worth a couple of mph and tenths too i hope.

The red humpy curve was last time, with small cam, 265*.
You can see how it has picked up from the 6500rpm and up (right where I use it).







westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

STOCK Wolfsburg Wizard

446 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#862201
thats awesome dave power curve looks great
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vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#862277
Nice one!!

That power curve will translate into times no doubt 👍