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Paulc1964au Custom Title Time!

1,627 posts · joined Mar 2010 ·

#852128
Looking long term to upgrade my motor or replace with a new engine, here are the parameters i wish to achieve

1. Must blow away the following cars

Camo's 61
Mick's 56
Any local hoon in there modified commodore, etc

Seriously though I'm thinking about a 1916 with lots of low down grunt rather than a speed demon on the freeway.

so far the options i see are

1. New engine from CBB
2. A Stan Pobjoy build
3. Rebuilding my 1600TP

Am open to any other suggestions
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barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#852130
you left out one option.
2.4L t4 with dells. thats what im thinking of for my next one.
try having a chat to richard at vforce about the difference between t1 and t4 you would be surprised.
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AUSSIE_MICK Officially Full-On Dubber

205 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#852132
Who's Stan pobje?

SebastienPeek Custom Title Time!

1,657 posts · joined May 2011 ·

#852140
How hard is it to fit a type 4 engine into a type 1?
Will a standard type 1 gearbox/suspension cope with something like a 2l type 4 engine? Do I have to chop away the engine bay or anything of the sort?
I've seen it happen all to often and am considering doing it myself when money permits.
Maybe my tax can go towards it! 😀

Sorry to hijack this thread, I'm curious as well :P
The sold one, '73 VW 1303 - Zelda
The project, '74 VW 1303 - Gretl

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#852146
bolts straight up to the stock late model box, no cutting required. ive been running the stock rear suspension for about 5 years now with no real problem, im about to upgrade to heavier torsion bars

does require the cooling system to be converted to upright though.
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SebastienPeek Custom Title Time!

1,657 posts · joined May 2011 ·

#852150
Hmm, looks very doable.
Is there any threads on here that document the requirements/procedure of installing one or has no one actually documented it?
The sold one, '73 VW 1303 - Zelda
The project, '74 VW 1303 - Gretl

Ollie Yeah Buddy

840 posts · joined Oct 2009 ·

#852152
I'm sure people have documented it, it's been done a few times!

They've got some good torquey grunt too!
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SebastienPeek Custom Title Time!

1,657 posts · joined May 2011 ·

#852156
It's been done plenty of times, I keep seeing them done and I might as well take the plunge too.
Gives me something to work towards anyway!

I'll have to do some searching around to see if I can find anything 🙂
The sold one, '73 VW 1303 - Zelda
The project, '74 VW 1303 - Gretl

cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#852163
i went for a spin in my mates 2.7 ltr t4.the other day..wow...wholy torque......it has 150 whp with low comp and only 44idfs .....very fun...third gear wheel spins....the heads are not welded.....

vvwbeetle Officially Full-On Dubber

234 posts · joined Apr 2011 ·

#852236
Hi guys

More than happy with the engine in my bug

2332 with 48's (150hp at wheels)

Great to drive at all speeds. Then has enough power to upset the w@nkers in their turbo or v8 powered cars. They get a shock when a 41 year old bug blows them away.

I can recommend you go and talk to the guys @ CCB. They were great with me and kept me informed all the time and sent pics and video's that I asked them to take for me.

More than happy to answer and questions you may have.

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#852244
Stroker Type 1 definitely.

dubai Seriously Crusin Dubber

161 posts · joined Oct 2009 ·

#852264
Who are CCB and do they have a web site and contacts?

Thanks

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#852289
Hardly worth using your existing engine parts with price and avIlavility of good quality new parts

Start from scratch

johny rotten Officially Full-On Dubber

366 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#852296
The fastest non turbo air cooled Beetle at Wakefield was a Type 1 Stroker of around 1995cc , Belongs to Troy Trager.
Troy beat all the type 4 engines including a 2.7 litre Aero guard equipped bug wih huge wheel , tyres and brakes.

A similar result was seen a Valla recently with the type 1 engines dominating all results.

Type 4 engines are too old, all the crankcases are stuffed, also the heads fall to pieces.
The 2litre cranks and porche rods are getting harder to re-use.
😎

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#852297
hellbugged wrote:Hardly worth using your existing engine parts with price and avIlavility of good quality new parts

Start from scratch
x2

More often than not, very few major components will be useable from your current engine, so if your wanting a performance build, build from scratch, then you may as well use a stroker crank and build a 2.0+ .... and you get to keep driving your car while you plan, save, purchase and build the new engine.
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Paulc1964au Custom Title Time!

1,627 posts · joined Mar 2010 ·

#852307
matberry wrote:
hellbugged wrote:Hardly worth using your existing engine parts with price and avIlavility of good quality new parts

Start from scratch
x2

More often than not, very few major components will be useable from your current engine, so if your wanting a performance build, build from scratch, then you may as well use a stroker crank and build a 2.0+ .... and you get to keep driving your car while you plan, save, purchase and build the new engine.
Ok i'm not real bright can you explain what a stroker engine is please?
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#852313
Ok i'm not real bright can you explain what a stroker engine is please? [/quote]


Hmm, that means I'm not too bright also.
I asked the same question not too long ago, it is an engine with a different crank shaft giving the pistons a longer "stroke" (least I think that is what it is.)🤓
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#852315
Your on to it Donn. 👍

Maybe I was thinking of another thread, thought a big engine was a possibility, no worries, even a stock stroke can give the locals a wake up.
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barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#852316
johny rotten wrote:The fastest non turbo air cooled Beetle at Wakefield was a Type 1 Stroker of around 1995cc , Belongs to Troy Trager.
Troy beat all the type 4 engines including a 2.7 litre Aero guard equipped bug wih huge wheel , tyres and brakes.

A similar result was seen a Valla recently with the type 1 engines dominating all results.

Type 4 engines are too old, all the crankcases are stuffed, also the heads fall to pieces.
The 2litre cranks and porche rods are getting harder to re-use.
😎
the same configuration in the yellow bug when it was in the previous car was a lot quicker. as they have only just put together the yellow one.
remember the green but that was 3 seconds slower than a gt3 around oran park? thats a t4 naturally aspirated
heres the link to it racing.

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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#852358
barls wrote:the same configuration in the yellow bug when it was in the previous car was a lot quicker. as they have only just put together the yellow one.
remember the green but that was 3 seconds slower than a gt3 around oran park? thats a t4 naturally aspirated
heres the link to it racing.
Dont get suckered into the "gt3" comparison crap......it was most likely driven by some old business man on a "porsche club day". 95% of the cars on those club days are being driven at about 60% of what they are capable of 😂.


vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#852360
Paulc1964au wrote:So I assume a stroker engine is really more for racing or drag racing rather than for a daily?
Absolutely not.
The longer stroke gives more torque (good for a daily driven car) and more cubic inches (engine capacity cc's) means 'easier' horsepower: i.e. you don't need to rev the engine as hard to produce the power as a smaller stroke.