WPVW turbo oval progress - 443bhp (10.13@139.70mph)

hypo-vw · 2005-03-19T08:00:02+00:00

with the compak attak drag meeting postponed until the 9th April , this gives us around 3 weeks to have the oval ready . the pics posted are about a week ago , so there has been further progress . It may be a big ask , but we a hoping to run high 10's and 130mph with this fully engineered and street regeristed bug . will keep you informed when up and running !!:jesus [ Edited on 14-1-07 by hypo-vw ] [ Edited on 21-2-07 by hypo-vw ]

rose doin it for d girls

2,036 posts · joined Dec 2004 · 30 Jun 2011, 9:12 pm

#849295

Maybe you could try Valvoline Engine oil

Valvoline VR1 Racing 10W/40
Mineral racing oil
High in zinc, enhances power & reduces friction

mactaylor Custom Title Time!

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#849334

thanks wayne, 405 sounds fun!

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tassupervee That really hurts doesnt it!

1,171 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 1 Jul 2011, 7:36 pm

#849413

That kind of cam and lifter damage is very often started from the engines initial run from a new build. The damage gets done almost immediately and will go downhill very quickly from there once the cam lobe and lifter face are pitted/spalled.

Cam and follower break in is the ONLY thing I ever consider when "runing in" a new engine. Nothing else. If I build an engine with an existing cam/follower package then any formal running in does NOT happen at all apart from some early oil and filter changes.

The initial first few minutes is absolutely CRUCIAL to the life of new/re-coed cam lobe and follower and is almost universally overlooked especially considering that oiling to VW cams and lifters is a bit streaky at best of times.
A new cam/lifter combination should never be initially broken in with heavy multiple springs fitted. Just a single light spring is sufficient. They need to be run at elevated rpm for a good 10 minutes initially to ensure enough oil is splashed around in there and that important first settling in occurs as quickly as possible.

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Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....

dejan Learner Dubber

18 posts · joined Sep 2010 · 2 Jul 2011, 6:22 am

#849460

I would go on MOTUL 300V competition 15W-50.
Synthetic oil with very stable characteristics of the heat as you need for air cooling.

fish26 Fahrvergnugen

903 posts · joined Jul 2007 · 2 Jul 2011, 1:42 pm

#849493

A combination of all three instances is very likely, Tool Steel or Composite Lifters will solve the problem as well as Bradd Penn Racing Oil Grade 1, with no need for break IN with these lifters, if you really want to, Bradd Penn Break In SAE30. Nothing else will do.
405hp.............awesome work Wayne

bitten by the bug..........several times

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 · 4 Jul 2011, 7:44 pm

#849915

I heard joe gibbs racing oil is pretty good.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 5 Jul 2011, 2:12 pm

#850032

after many hours of preparation , I got the oval to Day of the drags 2011 at WSID . It was not a successful meeting for me as the clutch fryed on the first run and it ran lean on methanol and did some engine damage .

The burnout was really strong and the car felt great , but the clutch slipped straight out of the hole . I was doing 97mph @ half track and then got off it , crossing the line at 12.37@ 87mph .
I am really sure that the engine used more fuel than the 2litre surge tank could supply , so I have now purchased a new fuel cell . I will now remove the oval beetle fuel tank , Holley blue lift pump , surge tank , filter and all accossiated lines , and will now pull fuel directly from the aluminum 10 litre cell .
Here is some video footage

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FASTEST SPEED @ WARWICK 2011
FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 8 Aug 2011, 10:50 pm

#856088

after running at WSID , I have investigated the fuel surge problem and it would seem that a $20 fuel filter has cost me an engine 😬 I have then removed the engine from my oval and stripped it down for inspection .

the spark plugs show an extremely lean mixture and heat blistering

I had fitted the areomotive A1000 fuel pump & stainless steel 100 micron fuel filter with 5/8" diameter lines to the injection rails , but a T4 transporter EFI fuel filter between the fuel tank and lift pump for the surge tank has had a reaction to the methanol and blocked the filter . The paper cartridge filter reacted with the methanol making the paper swell and block the fuel supply .....

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FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 8 Aug 2011, 11:00 pm

#856089

the engine is removed once again .

a large piece of ringland is found in the combustion chamber of no.4 cylinder

No.4 piston has suffered massive heat damage

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hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 8 Aug 2011, 11:10 pm

#856091

all of the other pistons also suffered heat damage and grabbed the bores

I have ordered new 4.125" pistons , rings & pins / new 103mm barrels that I will have bored to suit the pistons / and new type-1 camfollowers from Pauter . I am going to sleeve the lifter bores to suit type-1 lifters this time

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FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 9 Aug 2011, 9:30 am

#856112

Wow...that's a damn shame Wayne. I can feel your pain.
What brand pistons and rings were you running?

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 9 Aug 2011, 10:43 pm

#856258

Stanley wrote:What brand pistons and rings were you running?

I was running Manley Forged pistons from a 400ci chevy +0.030" ( 4.155" or 105.5mm ) and the rings were total seal . This time I have been able to locate a set of CP Forged racing pistons for a 400ci chevy ( 4.125" or 104.75mm ) with a pin height for 6" rods . This is the same pin height that I was using , so will make my engine set-up much easier for me and my barrels will be a little thicker in the spigot for better support .

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FASTEST ET @ WARWICK 2010 & 2011
FASTEST SPEED @ WARWICK 2011
FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

venFun10 Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Jul 2011 · 10 Aug 2011, 9:30 pm

#856411

mate i feel sorry for you. it must suck having done so much work and have nice parts to just wreck them like this. you certainly have had a lot of bad luck with this nice car of yours. best of luck.

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2,534 posts · joined Mar 2007 · 12 Aug 2011, 2:14 pm

#856677

At least it happened when it did mate and not first run at Warwick!! Lot closer to home base down there if you look at it that way....

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hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 5 Sep 2011, 11:31 pm

#860479

well all of my new engine parts have arrived and the preparation & assembly will begin tomorrow evening . I purchased a new set of CP forged 4.125" (104.75mm) 400 chevy pistons & total seal rings . These are lumpy top pistons & I have machined the top down to gain the compression ratio that I wanted

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FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 5 Sep 2011, 11:44 pm

#860482

I have had camfollower trouble in the recent past . I had purchased a set of type-4 racing lifters from European motorworks and they failed after the first race meeting at Warwick 2010 . I then purchased a set of Scat lube-a-lobe type-4 lifters from my brother Rod and they did 2 x 200m runs up the street and back , then 1 quarter mile pass and they were about to fail again showing signs of defects , so I have now purchased a set of Udo Becker 56gm tool-steel racing lifters . I am very confident that these lifters will cope easily with the loads thrust upon them from my valve-train
I have now had manufactured from phospherous-bronze , a set of sleeves for my lifter bores & had them installed to suit type-1 lifters . Then the lifter bores are machined for lobe to lifter clearance

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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 5 Sep 2011, 11:53 pm

#860484

I have purchased a new Bugpack super-duty oil pump & I will now run an outlet cover to an external oil filter
All of the lifter bores are machined and I have also had the engine case line-bored to ensure a perfect tunnel . The engine case is ready for final wash prior to assembly now

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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

Beetspeed Slammed & Awesome Dubber

75 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 6 Sep 2011, 5:55 am

#860493

Why not pinned center main? There has been some past movement at the surface if I see it correctly.

'75 1303 'Renner' 2.2 T4 turbo

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 6 Sep 2011, 8:28 am

#860511

Beetspeed wrote:Why not pinned center main? There has been some past movement at the surface if I see it correctly.

I believe that the movement was from a not so perfect tunnel . If you see the last pics the case has now been line-bored . The centre main bearing is factory pinned on each side as you would know , and with the correct bearing nip and good oil pressure so that the main journel does not touch the bearing , the bearings should not move . I also found faults with my oil pump and this is why it also is being replaced .

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FASTEST ET @ WARWICK 2010 & 2011
FASTEST SPEED @ WARWICK 2011
FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

Beetspeed Slammed & Awesome Dubber

75 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 6 Sep 2011, 6:32 pm

#860629

Its indeed a matter of if you believe there is movement from 86mm stroke cranks and/or 200+ hp cars or not, as no-one of us can actually see it happening.
I tend to look at the 911 cases which are also pinned, even on each main.
You car does not see that many miles though and the align bore looks very nice.
Love the silicon-bronze bushings and the type 1 - wider foot - lifters are the way to goo too 👍

Very curieus what she will do after the upgrade, on the dyno and the strip, keep us posted!

'75 1303 'Renner' 2.2 T4 turbo

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 14 Sep 2011, 7:24 pm

#862055

new Moroso oil filter has arrived(pictured with a dollar coin to show the 3/4" oil ports) , along with the Aeroflow oil line fittings
also found a crack in my engine case near a headstud , so I have had the engine case welded to repair it . I love type-4 aluminum cases !!

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FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

LOWBUG Insano Dub Head

738 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 14 Sep 2011, 7:30 pm

#862057

Pick up your change Wayne, the way your spending money you'll need it. lol

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 14 Sep 2011, 7:36 pm

#862061

my new fuel cell has arrived . I have manufactured a fuel distribution block that pulls the methanol from 2x -10 fittings welded on the fuel cell and supplys methanol to the fuel pump via a -12 fitting and hose

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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

Super1302 Officially Full-On Dubber

361 posts · joined Jul 2008 · 15 Sep 2011, 6:38 pm

#862246

great work Wayne.
reckon you could get a bit more porting out of those heads. lol

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 20 Sep 2011, 10:42 am

#862980

more engine progress on the WPVW turbo oval

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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 20 Sep 2011, 10:45 am

#862983

more engine progress . pistons have been ceramic coated on the top and silicon coated on the skirts

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FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 20 Sep 2011, 10:49 am

#862984

more engine progress . pistons are installed , piston rings are machined for correct end-gap and barrels fitted

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FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

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2,534 posts · joined Mar 2007 · 20 Sep 2011, 12:09 pm

#862990

Nothing better on a slow day at work than to look at big type 4 engine porn!!

Thanks Wayne!! Keep the pics coming!!

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hypo-vw Australias 1st 10sec street beetle (Jan 2007) 10.49secs@132m

2,151 posts · joined May 2004 · 20 Sep 2011, 8:42 pm

#863077

more engine progress on my turbo oval . The engine assembly is complete and the turbo system will now be re-installed

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FASTEST ET @ WARWICK 2010 & 2011
FASTEST SPEED @ WARWICK 2011
FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)

venFun10 Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Jul 2011 · 21 Sep 2011, 11:18 am

#863158

some very nice engine parts there