tail lights - rules and regulations

baja burley · 2009-12-11T04:48:06+00:00

when doing the additions to my rear cage on the baja i thought it might look good to pt some LED lights in the cage and keep the guards looking smooth. can anyone tell me whether this is legal?? my main worry is the width between. i know there is a minimum with the front lights and there must be one for rear as well so does anyone know this minimum distance?? cheers Luke

Flintstones Custom Title Time!

1,077 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 5 Jul 2010, 11:58 pm

#788830

68AutoBug wrote:
Flintstones wrote:In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
D

I don't think the blinkers in the headlamps are legal...
as they are NOT original.... and very hard to see with the headlamps on... daytime or night...

LEE

Lee, see my earlier post in this thread.

Do some research and speak to an engineer before you post,
Don't just say what you think should or shouldn't be allowed as you are just misleading what people can or can't do.

As I said earlier, it's what the engineer passes that counts at the end of the day.......

Cheers
D

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 6 Jul 2010, 12:09 am

#788833

Well they won't pass locally....

as You said... its not up to Us..

if they aren't passed... they aren't...

local fellow was a VW trained mechanic ..

so, You can guess what He likes...

Lee

I just noticed this is a rules and regulation thread... apologies..

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jhp1 Wolfsburg Wizard

575 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 13 Jul 2010, 12:22 pm

#790321

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Please do some research before you post 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

"semaphores were never used in the USA - as far as I know...
they had red blinkers back in the 50s.. maybe earlier..
the stop light used to blink...
thats why they still have red blinkers.. at the rear...

and they were used in Australia and the UK etc..
and were called trafficators..."

I think the key in this quote is "As far as I know"

Obviously you know little of which you speak 🤓

Check this website for some "Factual Information" www.thesamba.com

Semaphores were dropped in the US in May of 55. 🤪 Before that they used SEMAPHORES !

Help me Geebus 🤪

tmerivale Casual Dubber

44 posts · joined Nov 2009 · 17 Jul 2010, 3:39 pm

#791071

to back lee up when walking across the road LEGALLY right near a roundabout where i live i have gone to walk out in front of a car turning as i have not seen their indicator that was on when it was on the inside. i stopped and quickly took a step back onto the foot path again but it was only when they were coming towards me that i had seen their indicator. lees son might not be as stupid as you guys might be thinking, personally i would never buy a car like this as it IS dangerous, but hey if you like it buy it.

jhp1 Wolfsburg Wizard

575 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 24 Jul 2010, 2:40 am

#792353

Thats not the issue here at all mate,

I think the main problem here is that there is so much mis -nformation pedalled by someone who thinks he knows what he's talkng about.

When in fact he knows sweet FA!

in the US they used Semaphores

Heres just a few "Semaphore" references on another US site 😉

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/search.php?search_keywords=semaphores&search_terms=all&search_author=&search_forum=-1&search_time=0&search_fields=all&search_cat=1&sort_by=0&sort_dir=DESC&show_results=topics&return_chars=200

The ruling on where and how indicators are mounted is stated in each States Traffic Authorties rules and regulations
If you want an accurate ruling contact them
🙂

VDU.88A Officially Full-On Dubber

306 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 24 Jul 2010, 9:14 pm

#792505

I think this might clear things up. ADR13/00
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/F9AC0C93321017FACA2575F6000324A2/$file/ADR+13-00+Am+3+Compilation.doc
Quite a bit of reading but the pic here basically sums it up.
In case your wondering L group are 2 & 3 wheeled vehicles. M group are passanger vehicles and N group are goods carrying vehicles. T is trailers.

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jhp1 Wolfsburg Wizard

575 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 25 Jul 2010, 12:19 am

#792544

😉 Thats it mate nice find

baghall Ben Hal Outlaw Bushranger

1,021 posts · joined Jan 2010 · 11 Dec 2010, 6:13 pm

#816550

I was told by a police officer that indicators should be able to be seen from the side. If this is true than maybe those cars with indicators in headlights would have side indicators. I have been looking around at various cars and this seems top be the case but would love for someone to confirm this.

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Birdman Wolfsburg Wizard

428 posts · joined May 2010 · 11 Dec 2010, 7:47 pm

#816565

baghall wrote:I was told by a police officer that indicators should be able to be seen from the side. If this is true than maybe those cars with indicators in headlights would have side indicators. I have been looking around at various cars and this seems top be the case but would love for someone to confirm this.

Yes this is true and that is why you see markers on cars running rossi headlights with the indicator in the bottom.

If you ditch the guard mounted indicators you need to run small side lights, like steve c has added.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 6 Jan 2011, 12:00 am

#820011

baghall wrote:I was told by a police officer that indicators should be able to be seen from the side. If this is true than maybe those cars with indicators in headlights would have side indicators. I have been looking around at various cars and this seems top be the case but would love for someone to confirm this.

Yes,
that is why late model cars have the small side repeater blinker lamp and now in the mirrors...
cars with wrap around blinkers like late type 3 VWs didn't need the side lamps...

and My local rego mechanic won't pass a beetle with blinkers inside the headlamps...
Rossi type headlamps are hard to see the lamp below it too,
I always thought the bottom light in Rossi headlamsp was the clear parker lamp...
the top of guard blinkers would still need to be used...

I was told recently that I needed new tail lamp lenses as the red tail lamps were too bright.... I said"they were new tail lamp lenses..." He concluded that the bulbs must be too bright.. I have chrome reflectors in the tail lamps..

LEE

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helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body

7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 6 Jan 2011, 3:53 pm

#820122

Factual information here

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/index.aspx

In particular the VSB14 has a lot of info that Victorian VASS engineers utilise. If you are doing anything, and can work it within the VSB guidelines, you are likely to have your engineer sign it off, as they have a current piece of information they can assess it to.

I only deal with VASS on a weekly basis, so I cant be up to the minute on the dial. In fact I will say I don't know. I just go by the Australian Government Department of Infrastucture and Transport current info.

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The_Bronze. Minister of Volkswagenism

1,922 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 6 Jan 2011, 11:46 pm

#820236

This might be useful:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_2007.pdf

Regards,

B.

Bronze.

Rathmines, Lake Macquarie, NSW.

Stinkbug Officially Full-On Dubber

250 posts · joined Jan 2011 · 17 Apr 2011, 9:53 am

#836152

can any one tell me if it is illegal in qld,to fit snowflakes to a 62 beetle? and also ,are semaphores ,acting on their own, legal in this day n age?(with no other blinkers on the vehicle?) cheers ..stink..😵

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 17 Apr 2011, 3:29 pm

#836174

The snowflake/semaphore combo is technically only legal in the year model that came out with them, and even then, they are frowned upon by the transport inspectors because of thier antiquated design difficulty to be seen.

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Stinkbug Officially Full-On Dubber

250 posts · joined Jan 2011 · 17 Apr 2011, 6:12 pm

#836198

thanks matt.

Tratty Casual Dubber

32 posts · joined Jul 2008 · 22 Apr 2011, 8:41 pm

#837129

Can someone tell me what a snowflake is please

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 22 Apr 2011, 9:11 pm

#837134

Tratty wrote:Can someone tell me what a snowflake is please

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Tratty Casual Dubber

32 posts · joined Jul 2008 · 24 Apr 2011, 2:07 am

#837332

Thanks Matt I understand now

PAZZAN Wolfsburg Wizard

592 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 5 Feb 2012, 8:51 pm

#885345

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/Street_COP_sec_7.pdf

PAZZAN Wolfsburg Wizard

592 posts · joined Jan 2008 · 5 Feb 2012, 8:52 pm

#885346

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/street_rod.aspx

General_Failure Use your head, don't abuse it!

1,036 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 7 Apr 2012, 10:55 am

#895794

I have a question. I've been trying to figure out a good way to make a swinging tailgate thing for spare / jerrycans / whatever for my '75 camper. One of the issues I can see is possible partial blocking of the tail lights. If I were to put a couple of nice big RTA approved taillights on the rack do I need to get that certified? Honestly if I could I'd like to do something like that anyway as I have been considering a second pair on the roof because I don't know what it's like everywhere else but the traffic here goes something like this: nothing TRUCKcar nothing TRUCKTRUCKcar.

The nothings can be up to kilometers long. I'd say the distances between the trucks and cars are to scale. Brown pants time fairly often as a result.

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Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based LCA pop-top camper. Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002.

CecilApestle Learner Dubber

6 posts · joined May 2012 · 6 May 2012, 1:21 pm

#900319

Maybe go and get a blue slip so there are no discrepancies if you are pulled over.

Timothy_N-F Casual Dubber

26 posts · joined Feb 2015 · 26 Feb 2015, 11:38 pm

#1009013

Flintstones wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:
Flintstones wrote:In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
D

Not according to the Mechanic who passes My Cars for rego each year...

when the headlamp is on.. [at night]

the orange bulb cannot be noticed...

but then there are quite a few of them on the road...
all registered..??

LEE

Have you notice the new mini headlights in the current model?
They have a blinker in them, and its OEM from the factory.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what ANY mechanic says, it comes down to the engineering signatory.
Cheers

Engineering signatory? You have strange laws in NSW, in QLD you only need a roadworthy when the car is being registered, or when it's sold, and Queensland Transport has no idea whether the car is fit or not, as long as you have the correct Safety Certificate (read Roadworthy Certificate) they don't even look at the car. So there is quite a lot of room for dodgy roadworthiers, that said if a cop spots something wrong with your car even if it's all been registered like that, he can pull you over and defect your car.

Phoenix was my 1973 Super Beetle.
_______ is my 1975 Super Beetle.

Timothy_N-F Casual Dubber

26 posts · joined Feb 2015 · 26 Feb 2015, 11:42 pm

#1009016

68AutoBug wrote:
djnee wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:My Son has a new Lancer and He says that many people cannot see His front blinkers when He's at an intersection...
as they are in with the headlamps...
I mean it in jest Lee, but i can't help wondering exactly how he knows this??
Do they catch him up, flag him to stop and then tell him?? lol

😂
My Son drives His $39,000 Lancer with the headlamps on all the time... and when at an intersection, the other drivers think He's going straight ahead..
the indicators are on the inside of the headlamps...
NOT the outside as is usual...
plus they aren't very large...

semaphores were never used in the USA - as far as I know...
they had red blinkers back in the 50s.. maybe earlier..
the stop light used to blink...
thats why they still have red blinkers.. at the rear...

and they were used in Australia and the UK etc..
and were called trafficators...

57-58 holdens also had red blinkers... stop light blinked..
I believe they were an accessory back then..

LEE

PS: Legally... lenses should have numbers on them relating to the rules back when they were new..
smoked or red lenses are ILLEGAL...
BLUE DOTS are also ILLEGAL...

headlights that go to the Right when dipped are also illegal..
they usually have letters on the lens

There's his problem, he should turn his headlights off when it's day time (stormy weather excepted), we don't live in Norway!

Phoenix was my 1973 Super Beetle.
_______ is my 1975 Super Beetle.