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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#887504
Took My 1500 fan off My alternator to replace it with a doghouse fan found nearly a round hole.... YIKES


just lucky I guess..

wouldn't have been long before it started to spin depending on the tightness of the nut..

LEE

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bugmaniaar Officially Full-On Dubber

295 posts · joined Jun 2011 ·

#887535
Hey Lee
You do say YIKES alot...lol

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#887540
yeah AND OVERUSE UPPER CASE LIKE NO TOMORRROOOOOWW 😂

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shokwave2 Officially Full-On Dubber

289 posts · joined Mar 2010 ·

#887544
Hey Lee, what type of paint did you use for your fan shroud? Heat resistant or just normal spray paint?

Camo Custom Title Time!

1,936 posts · joined Oct 2007 ·

#887552
Lee,

just another tip, I think the fan goes in the other way around 😂😂😂😂😂 😉

Kev
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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#887567
Arrhh! its too yellow! 😬

"puts on welding mask"

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Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#887570
Hi Lee

Make sure you have enough shims under it otherwise the nut will bottom out.

I think the paint fumes are affecting your judgement, what wrong with black?

Steve

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#887578
Camo wrote:Lee,

just another tip, I think the fan goes in the other way around 😂😂😂😂😂 😉

Kev
HI Kev

that was just to see how good black and yellow go together..
I didn't really notice... lol


LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#887581
shokwave2 wrote:Hey Lee, what type of paint did you use for your fan shroud? Heat resistant or just normal spray paint?
I normally use heat proof VHT paint .. which isn't very shiney
I then use clear VHT over the top of it...

this time I have used killrust EPOXY spray paint...
I just sanded down the fan shroud, but the tinware over the heads etc I have taken all the paint off...
this paint then needs no undercoat its self primiing..

It has no heat rating but its an excellent paint... very glossy..
takes about 6 hours to dry...
I'm hoping it won't peel off... lol..

cheers

LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#887582
1303Steve wrote:Hi Lee

Make sure you have enough shims under it otherwise the nut will bottom out.

I think the paint fumes are affecting your judgement, what wrong with black?

Steve
Mr Henry ford liked black... lol I like Yellow now... lol

Steve...
I had to take My alternator 30klms to get My Son to take the old fan off the alternator and install the new one..
BUT
I forgot to take the heavy waved spring washer with Me...
the old fan did NOT have that washer but did have shims..

this fan had 2 or 3 shims on it so WE left them there..
rattle gunned the nut on with locktite...

so, I don't think it will come loose..
but will it be OK without that BIG waved washer??

I thought the shims were just for aligning the fan??

LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#887606
Make sure the fan has NO PAINT on it........otherwise the flats on the centre hole may 'flog out'.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

cb john Wolfsburg Wizard

470 posts · joined Jun 2007 ·

#887642
Lee, you need to arrange shims the way, that you have 2.0 mm gap between the fan and the fan cover...the lock washer is necessary..

😂it seems, that there is no workshop manual in your posession..😂

ragged Just ask if you need HELP!

478 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#887653
Yes thats all fine, but what colour is the nut? Red would have to be the go!

Cheers Dave🤪

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#887655
Hi Lee

That fan nut only needs to be tightened to 40-47 ft.lb, don't know why you would need a rattle gun for that. The paint on the fan could also affect the balance.

Steve

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#887674
HappyDaze wrote:Make sure the fan has NO PAINT on it........otherwise the flats on the centre hole may 'flog out'.
My Son thought it was a new fan... nice flat black
and oddly enough I left it that way...

LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#887676
1303Steve wrote:Hi Lee

That fan nut only needs to be tightened to 40-47 ft.lb, don't know why you would need a rattle gun for that. The paint on the fan could also affect the balance.

Steve
Hi Steve

My Son has had problems taking these nuts off... and I searched at Home but I couldn't find the 36mm socket...
My Son assures Me I have one... and he also has one but couldn't find it.. so We went to His work workshop and used their socket and rattle gun to get the old fan off.. and naturally used it to put the new fan back on.. He said he snapped a shaft off once using a rattle gun on these so He didn't use much pressure but also used locktite..
It had NO waved heavy washer on it and I had forgotten to take another one with a nice yellow nut.. lol
so its got a black nut and the shims that were under the old nut... I know its not going to come loose.. but do you think there is enough pressure there to stop any problems with the fan moving?
I have heard of people actually welding the nut on...??

cheers

LEE

pic of the ones I left at home... notice very thin coating of paint on the washer..

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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#887678
ragged wrote:Yes thats all fine, but what colour is the nut? Red would have to be the go!

Cheers Dave🤪
the Nut should have been yellow but as I left it at home
[30 klms away] I reused the flat black one... lol

LEE
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HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#887683
That's a worry, Lee. Can't remember EVER leaving my nuts at home.....but I'm sure I wouldn't have got 30km before realising.🙅
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#887748
68AutoBug wrote:
shokwave2 wrote:Hey Lee, what type of paint did you use for your fan shroud? Heat resistant or just normal spray paint?
I normally use heat proof VHT paint .. which isn't very shiney
I then use clear VHT over the top of it...

this time I have used killrust EPOXY spray paint...
I just sanded down the fan shroud, but the tinware over the heads etc I have taken all the paint off...
this paint then needs no undercoat its self primiing..

It has no heat rating but its an excellent paint... very glossy..
takes about 6 hours to dry...
I'm hoping it won't peel off... lol..

cheers

LEE

sungold yellow yeah? I recently used this for some stuff and it takes weeks to fully cure, seems to be heat proof.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#887750
68AutoBug wrote:
1303Steve wrote:Hi Lee

That fan nut only needs to be tightened to 40-47 ft.lb, don't know why you would need a rattle gun for that. The paint on the fan could also affect the balance.

Steve
Hi Steve

My Son has had problems taking these nuts off... and I searched at Home but I couldn't find the 36mm socket...
My Son assures Me I have one... and he also has one but couldn't find it.. so We went to His work workshop and used their socket and rattle gun to get the old fan off.. and naturally used it to put the new fan back on.. He said he snapped a shaft off once using a rattle gun on these so He didn't use much pressure but also used locktite..
It had NO waved heavy washer on it and I had forgotten to take another one with a nice yellow nut.. lol
so its got a black nut and the shims that were under the old nut... I know its not going to come loose.. but do you think there is enough pressure there to stop any problems with the fan moving?
I have heard of people actually welding the nut on...??

cheers

LEE

pic of the ones I left at home... notice very thin coating of paint on the washer..

don't paint your nuts or washers 🤪 or the surface they bolt to for the matter of fact.

I learned last time from that mistake. They come loose every time guaranteed, extra espesially for epoxy paint!

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

Klaus Custom Title Time!

1,439 posts · joined Aug 2004 ·

#888305
next time u paint your nuts use an elastic band around them tight so there is good definition between them and the shaft , a little baby oil on the shaft stops the paint sticking and reduces friction👍

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#888308
I usually take all paint off flat washers and nuts and surfaces before tightening..

then I paint them...
I let the paint run into the threads and have never had one come off...

I used to have some loctite called after lock and You put it on after the nut... it ran into the thread and locked it...

LEE
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1,698 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#888318
wow what a thread!!!
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D-train Seriously Crusin Dubber

180 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#888375
kombibob wrote:wow what a thread!!!
You said it bob, that's a really good idea klaus, some baby oil will also help lube the shaft as well, so when its inserted an screwed in hard, you shouldnt get too much friction on it an break ur shaft if it's tight.

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#888377
Some good advice here. One good lesson to be learned, though.......NEVER leave home without your NUTS!
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#888436
HappyDaze wrote:Some good advice here. One good lesson to be learned, though.......NEVER leave home without your NUTS!
would You take the black one or the yellow one??
or both..!!

Lee

I believe many non mechanic people forget that when tightening a bolt or nut etc that having the thread lubricated the bolt or nut will go on tighter do to less friction...

especially if using a rattle gun or torque wrench...

LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#888449
The black ones are no good as they have taken a bad beating and the yellow ones are Chinese.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

D-train Seriously Crusin Dubber

180 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#888475
Lee, do u have a special lube u use for less friction? Do u also find if u don't use any, does it make it harder to screw it in?

Klaus Custom Title Time!

1,439 posts · joined Aug 2004 ·

#888481
well see mr d-train i was talking to an older mechanic today describing the problem with lee's rear oriface flogging out and he highley recommended lube but a waterbased one as this would ensure there was no galling on nuts or shaft , he also mentioned that whenever a vw related oriface was flogged out or looked sus they would have to contact a gentlemn at vw by the name of Colin ..ahh what was his last name something polish or eastern european ??? Oskapi thats it , he said weird guy only little and would introduce himself really quickly saying his first and surname together, the previous guy was a bit of a dick and was huge and the guys didnt like the thought of his huge hands near the oriface problem, Some of you older guys might remember him said he was pretty busy in surrey hills and oxford st mechanics , oh i found out the proper name of the elastic band thing to its a rooster ring he said best way to fit it so there was definition was to use someone with clean hands to hold the offending nut/shaft and get it as close to the nut/shaft meeting surface , then lubricate liberally on the parts not wanting to be painted ..hope this lets u know that your not the only one to have a flogged out hole