Took My 1500 fan off My alternator to replace it with a doghouse fan found nearly a round hole.... YIKES
just lucky I guess..
wouldn't have been long before it started to spin depending on the tightness of the nut..
LEE
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Hey Lee, what type of paint did you use for your fan shroud? Heat resistant or just normal spray paint?
Lee,
just another tip, I think the fan goes in the other way around 😂😂😂😂😂 😉
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Hi Lee
Make sure you have enough shims under it otherwise the nut will bottom out.
I think the paint fumes are affecting your judgement, what wrong with black?
Steve
Camo wrote:Lee,
just another tip, I think the fan goes in the other way around 😂😂😂😂😂 😉
Kev
HI Kev
that was just to see how good black and yellow go together..
I didn't really notice... lol
LEE
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shokwave2 wrote:Hey Lee, what type of paint did you use for your fan shroud? Heat resistant or just normal spray paint?
I normally use heat proof VHT paint .. which isn't very shiney
I then use clear VHT over the top of it...
this time I have used killrust EPOXY spray paint...
I just sanded down the fan shroud, but the tinware over the heads etc I have taken all the paint off...
this paint then needs no undercoat its self primiing..
It has no heat rating but its an excellent paint... very glossy..
takes about 6 hours to dry...
I'm hoping it won't peel off... lol..
cheers
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
1303Steve wrote:Hi Lee
Make sure you have enough shims under it otherwise the nut will bottom out.
I think the paint fumes are affecting your judgement, what wrong with black?
Steve
Mr Henry ford liked black... lol I like Yellow now... lol
Steve...
I had to take My alternator 30klms to get My Son to take the old fan off the alternator and install the new one..
BUT
I forgot to take the heavy waved spring washer with Me...
the old fan did NOT have that washer but did have shims..
this fan had 2 or 3 shims on it so WE left them there..
rattle gunned the nut on with locktite...
so, I don't think it will come loose..
but will it be OK without that BIG waved washer??
I thought the shims were just for aligning the fan??
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
Make sure the fan has NO PAINT on it........otherwise the flats on the centre hole may 'flog out'.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
Lee, you need to arrange shims the way, that you have 2.0 mm gap between the fan and the fan cover...the lock washer is necessary..
😂it seems, that there is no workshop manual in your posession..😂
Yes thats all fine, but what colour is the nut? Red would have to be the go!
Cheers Dave🤪
Hi Lee
That fan nut only needs to be tightened to 40-47 ft.lb, don't know why you would need a rattle gun for that. The paint on the fan could also affect the balance.
Steve
HappyDaze wrote:Make sure the fan has NO PAINT on it........otherwise the flats on the centre hole may 'flog out'.
My Son thought it was a new fan... nice flat black
and oddly enough I left it that way...
LEE
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1303Steve wrote:Hi Lee
That fan nut only needs to be tightened to 40-47 ft.lb, don't know why you would need a rattle gun for that. The paint on the fan could also affect the balance.
Steve
Hi Steve
My Son has had problems taking these nuts off... and I searched at Home but I couldn't find the 36mm socket...
My Son assures Me I have one... and he also has one but couldn't find it.. so We went to His work workshop and used their socket and rattle gun to get the old fan off.. and naturally used it to put the new fan back on.. He said he snapped a shaft off once using a rattle gun on these so He didn't use much pressure but also used locktite..
It had NO waved heavy washer on it and I had forgotten to take another one with a nice yellow nut.. lol
so its got a black nut and the shims that were under the old nut... I know its not going to come loose.. but do you think there is enough pressure there to stop any problems with the fan moving?
I have heard of people actually welding the nut on...??
cheers
LEE
pic of the ones I left at home... notice very thin coating of paint on the washer..
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ragged wrote:Yes thats all fine, but what colour is the nut? Red would have to be the go!
Cheers Dave🤪
the Nut should have been yellow but as I left it at home
[30 klms away] I reused the flat black one... lol
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
That's a worry, Lee. Can't remember EVER leaving my nuts at home.....but I'm sure I wouldn't have got 30km before realising.🙅
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
I would worry if I had a black nut, however I would be very concerned if I had a yellow nut.
68AutoBug wrote:shokwave2 wrote:Hey Lee, what type of paint did you use for your fan shroud? Heat resistant or just normal spray paint?
I normally use heat proof VHT paint .. which isn't very shiney
I then use clear VHT over the top of it...
this time I have used killrust EPOXY spray paint...
I just sanded down the fan shroud, but the tinware over the heads etc I have taken all the paint off...
this paint then needs no undercoat its self primiing..
It has no heat rating but its an excellent paint... very glossy..
takes about 6 hours to dry...
I'm hoping it won't peel off... lol..
cheers
LEE
sungold yellow yeah? I recently used this for some stuff and it takes weeks to fully cure, seems to be heat proof.
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
68AutoBug wrote:1303Steve wrote:Hi Lee
That fan nut only needs to be tightened to 40-47 ft.lb, don't know why you would need a rattle gun for that. The paint on the fan could also affect the balance.
Steve
Hi Steve
My Son has had problems taking these nuts off... and I searched at Home but I couldn't find the 36mm socket...
My Son assures Me I have one... and he also has one but couldn't find it.. so We went to His work workshop and used their socket and rattle gun to get the old fan off.. and naturally used it to put the new fan back on.. He said he snapped a shaft off once using a rattle gun on these so He didn't use much pressure but also used locktite..
It had NO waved heavy washer on it and I had forgotten to take another one with a nice yellow nut.. lol
so its got a black nut and the shims that were under the old nut... I know its not going to come loose.. but do you think there is enough pressure there to stop any problems with the fan moving?
I have heard of people actually welding the nut on...??
cheers
LEE
pic of the ones I left at home... notice very thin coating of paint on the washer..
don't paint your nuts or washers
🤪 or the surface they bolt to for the matter of fact.
I learned last time from that mistake. They come loose every time guaranteed, extra espesially for epoxy paint!
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
next time u paint your nuts use an elastic band around them tight so there is good definition between them and the shaft , a little baby oil on the shaft stops the paint sticking and reduces friction👍
I usually take all paint off flat washers and nuts and surfaces before tightening..
then I paint them...
I let the paint run into the threads and have never had one come off...
I used to have some loctite called after lock and You put it on after the nut... it ran into the thread and locked it...
LEE
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kombibob wrote:wow what a thread!!!
You said it bob, that's a really good idea klaus, some baby oil will also help lube the shaft as well, so when its inserted an screwed in hard, you shouldnt get too much friction on it an break ur shaft if it's tight.
Some good advice here. One good lesson to be learned, though.......NEVER leave home without your NUTS!
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
HappyDaze wrote:Some good advice here. One good lesson to be learned, though.......NEVER leave home without your NUTS!
would You take the black one or the yellow one??
or both..!!
Lee
I believe many non mechanic people forget that when tightening a bolt or nut etc that having the thread lubricated the bolt or nut will go on tighter do to less friction...
especially if using a rattle gun or torque wrench...
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
The black ones are no good as they have taken a bad beating and the yellow ones are Chinese.
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
Lee, do u have a special lube u use for less friction? Do u also find if u don't use any, does it make it harder to screw it in?
well see mr d-train i was talking to an older mechanic today describing the problem with lee's rear oriface flogging out and he highley recommended lube but a waterbased one as this would ensure there was no galling on nuts or shaft , he also mentioned that whenever a vw related oriface was flogged out or looked sus they would have to contact a gentlemn at vw by the name of Colin ..ahh what was his last name something polish or eastern european ??? Oskapi thats it , he said weird guy only little and would introduce himself really quickly saying his first and surname together, the previous guy was a bit of a dick and was huge and the guys didnt like the thought of his huge hands near the oriface problem, Some of you older guys might remember him said he was pretty busy in surrey hills and oxford st mechanics , oh i found out the proper name of the elastic band thing to its a rooster ring he said best way to fit it so there was definition was to use someone with clean hands to hold the offending nut/shaft and get it as close to the nut/shaft meeting surface , then lubricate liberally on the parts not wanting to be painted ..hope this lets u know that your not the only one to have a flogged out hole
