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What has Dave Been Up To? 29th AUG 2015: 10.66@126.09mph!!

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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#924813
It was probably lucky that I had my 1/8 mile gearbox in there in preparation for VWMA Warwick,
and had shut of at half track and coasted through for an 11.51 @90mph.

After some discusions with varous sources, it was agreed that in my application, the distance to coil bind at .050" was too close.
Prior to this I had advice that as close as .035" would be fine, and in the other extreme, so would .150" be OK.

Anyhow, I decided to install new springs and retainers at about .080 to ,090" from coil bind at full lift,
and after inspection and some hard runs at Warwick it all looks superb.

Best at Warwick 2012 was a 6.907 @ 99.78mph, which is a little over 8200rpm in 4th gear.

Here are some links to some not so perfect runs:











westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#924814
Stanley wrote:oh no....what now DB?
It sounded so good at jambo and Warwick.
No dude, it is all perfect in there, 🤓
this is just as a record of how things transpired, leading up to the jamboree.

After fixing the springs from Jambo:

westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#924816
Jesus mate don't do that 😀

dragvw2180 Officially Full-On Dubber

393 posts · joined May 2006 ·

#924861
Man you did not create a valve train , you created works of art !!!!! Congrats on the results, Mike McCarthy

modnrod Fahrvergnugen

978 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#924914
6.90 @ 100???

That's quicker than my bike Dave!
It's an old girl bike, but still.
Sounds nice too man.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#936683
Engine and tranny are all stripped down, and look great.
After this years runs, I have decided to advance the cam a little
to get some more lower rpm power,
and I also decided shorten the 1st thru 3rd gear ratios a little.





At both Sydney (and Willowbank testing before hand,)
the car was slow out of the hole,(1.475 best sixty, but generally low 1.50's)
with the 2.90 first gear and 4.857 diff.
At Warwick i tried the same first gear,
but with a 5.428 diff and this was just a bit too far the other way, either wheelspinning or hitting the bars too hard.(best of 1.46)
I reduced the start rpm a bit and that helped,
so I have decided to try a 3.0 first gear this year and a 2.0 second, with 1.412 third.

Engine wise, I have a fresh valve job, some new Pauter Rods,
and advanced the cam, with the valve as close to the piston as I can.







I have also added 2 Raceware 3/8 " studs from the case, right thru each rocker box floor to assist the head strength with those killer springs.







Should be ready in time if I get off the internet.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Doug Sweetman Nil Bastardo Carborundum

2,128 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#936708
Speechless... I'm still trying to get over the lift on your cam, let alone those rockers ..... Wow.


If you we're still playing with blown motors it would be scary !!!!

Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#936737
Good stuff DB...TnT before Sydney?

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#940899
Both Stanley and I ran the test and tune on Wednesday night.
I had four passes.
It is always hard to get back into the swing of driving a manual,
after driving your 'daily' which is auto, since sept last year.

The old clutch leg takes a few runs to get sorted:
11.05 @ 124.42 lazy clutch leg in 1st gear.
10.88 @ 124.89 better but still rich
10.96 @ 124.84 lazy clutch leg and ugly all thru 1st gear
10.80 @ 125.01 much better but still rich and clutch is 'not right'.
Car is 825 KG with fatter driver.(1815 lbs)

This is within 1 tenth and 1 mph of my best,
so once I have a fresh clutch and a return trip to the dyno,
it should be sweet for Sydney.

Engine and tranny came up well with no leaks and valve train in perfect order.
Just get that tune a little closer(dyno is the only way rather than wear out the whole car),
and the potential should be close.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#940903
👍👍

20bkombi Wolfsburg Wizard

597 posts · joined Mar 2009 ·

#940952
Good work Dave, think you should put a tv on your bonnet and get that leg built up while watching 'the big bang theory'
What changes to the clutch will you make??
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#940954
I have decided to step up to a 200mm 3-puck from my 180mm.
The pressure plate will remain the same.

I think when it is fresh and new, the 180 works well, but is so close to its limits,
it takes one lazy foot and it wont recover.
In the past I have gotten 40 to 50 passes on the 180mm discs,
but this time it is only about 20, and it needed re-shimming in that time.

Just need to get this poor weather past and then get to the dyno before Sydney.
It is pretty close at the moment, tune-wise,
but it would be best if i can to make sure i know HOW close I am.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#940968
The Christmas pudding should be worn off by late Feb 😁

Sounds like you are getting on top of the reliability of the valvetrain now. Well done

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#941907
I doubt the pudding will wear off Marcus, but very happy with the valve train now.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#941908
😂😂😂

Yeh I know that feeling

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#942445
dangerous wrote:I have decided to step up to a 200mm 3-puck from my 180mm.
The pressure plate will remain the same.

I think when it is fresh and new, the 180 works well, but is so close to its limits,
it takes one lazy foot and it wont recover.
In the past I gace gotten 40 to 50 passes on the 180mm discs,
but this time it is only about 20, and it needed re-shimming in that time.

Just need to get this poor weather past and then get to the dyno before Sydney.
It is pretty close at the moment, tune-wise,
but it would be best if i can to make sure i know HOW close I am.
This good example of why you should get to a dyno.
As run, at 1815lbs it ran 10.80 @ 125 mph,
and it had a rich 235hp at the wheels...and i thought I was close 🙄
Leaned it off and it made 248.8hp (close to last time 250).
Then, found we had a torched plug, when trying fresh set with wide gaps...no good, too much gap, above 7000.

Closed up the gap and made 259 @ 7800. 😎 bring on Sydney!
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#942446
259! Nice

Still the toughest sounding volksie out there by a country mile..... Love that noise!

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2,534 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#942453
Great result dangerous!! Getting close to the magical 100hp per litre at the wheels!!

Where to find another 10odd hp??
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Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#942455
Well done DB...it's all paying off

20bkombi Wolfsburg Wizard

597 posts · joined Mar 2009 ·

#942456
Well done Dave!!
So are you going to run syd without the boxes over the trumpets???
Still can't beleive they robbed so much power!!
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#942468
20bkombi wrote:Well done Dave!!
So are you going to run syd without the boxes over the trumpets???
Still can't beleive they robbed so much power!!
There were numerous small changes to get the extra power,
particularly the gains below the power peak,
but the removal of my side shields was an immediate 7.9hp above 7000.

I will have to use them at Warwick with the air cleaners,
but I think they can stay in the cupboard for Sydney.

Brennden, I was not aware that 100hp per litre at the wheels was magical.
FW 100hp per litre is a good start, but 150hp/lt would be excellent,
and our Aussie pro stocker V8s make over 200hp per litre.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

colin Fahrvergnugen

984 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#942479
dangerous wrote:
dangerous wrote:I have decided to step up to a 200mm 3-puck from my 180mm.
The pressure plate will remain the same.

I think when it is fresh and new, the 180 works well, but is so close to its limits,
it takes one lazy foot and it wont recover.
In the past I gace gotten 40 to 50 passes on the 180mm discs,
but this time it is only about 20, and it needed re-shimming in that time.





Just need to get this poor weather past and then get to the dyno before Sydney.
It is pretty close at the moment, tune-wise,
but it would be best if i can to make sure i know HOW close I am.
This good example of why you should get to a dyno.
As run, at 1815lbs it ran 10.80 @ 125 mph,
and it had a rich 235hp at the wheels...and i thought I was close 🙄
Leaned it off and it made 248.8hp (close to last time 250).
Then, found we had a torched plug, when trying fresh set with wide gaps...no good, too much gap, above 7000.

Closed up the gap and made 259 @ 7800. 😎 bring on Sydney!
👍

Cheers Col

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#942491
Excellent Dave!!!

Looking forward to the 1/4 mile times in Sydney

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2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#942560
Awesome result DB !!!

👍 👍

Amazing those side sheets had such a big impact... would never have expected that....
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2,534 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#942571
To achieve 100hp per litre is something only a few manufacturers ever reach in a production car. But you've nearly reached 100hp per litre at the wheels which is better again which is what I meant.

So the boxes around the intakes caused a definite disturbance in air flow causing mixtures to be too rich? Am I reading that correctly?
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#942579
Jetting was the same.

My guess is that it was probably obstructed air flow or advantage-pulse damping
because it was only above 7000rpm where the gains came.

It could have been some obscure obstruction to the ideal pulse frequency,
but that is likely complicating simple things.

Unfortunately when the torched plug was found
it negated knowing any specific individual change gains,
but the end result was a combination of things.

You can do all the maths you want from the wheel number to calculate a FW hp or MPH,
but in the end, I will have to wait to run some times at the track to confirm
if I need to turn up the rev limiter for the end of the 1/4 mile.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

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#942608
Good shit man👍

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

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#942731
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

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2,151 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#942742
that is very impressive Dave , well done mate !! cant wait to see you run it in Sydney 👍
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westi what the

1,610 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#942743
nice dave,very nice.what kind of torque difference from before.
whats you advance curve look like.?
and what are the engine temps at.or is ignorance bliss.
better not knowing some times.🤪🤪🤪
can't wait to see it in sydney.
down sharon.