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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#943382
That's not all the way.........that's only 6000rpm 😀

Yeah big difference between 14 and 20psi with these lil motors.......

........and for you info Steve, the notch went 1.10seconds at Wakefield with only 16 psi, worn out tyres and no rear trailing arm bushes 🤪.......you have quite a weapon at your disposal here ❗🥷😎😘

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#943394
244 kmph......I wonder when lift-off occurs? 😂
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lou0060 Wolfsburg Wizard

568 posts · joined Dec 2010 ·

#943428
244kph sounds like a real handful. You'll need at least Conrod straight to get it wound right up!

we'll probably be out together at Wakefield so looking forward to that. had another outing at Lakeside in Jan but was running really high temps as it was about 40 degrees ambient. both turbos are working but ran into the speed limiter at 180kph so have just bought a Mines No 2 ECU which will raise revs by 500rpm and eliminate the speed limiter. Also increases the boost ceiling. Should be here in a week or so so will post some info then on my thread....

where did you get the speed calculator?
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1968 race beetle - twin turbo Subaru - stress relief 😁
1960 beetle - old school low & slow 😏

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#943512
Hi

There's no way I will find the limits of the bugs aerodynamics, but 5th is nice on the freeway.

My car has sat inside for too long near a river and has now developed a little bit of rust, the paint guy said he will fix soon but he wants me to treat the area with some fish oil first.

Cant wait for Wakefield Lou, but cars a bit heavy, 1080 kgs +

Gear calculator for you Luo http://www.osella.com.au/gear-ratios.htm

Steve

cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#943515
1303Steve wrote:My son took a couple of cool photos with his phone today
that looks insane steve, bloody nice.....

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#943529
matberry wrote:244 kmph......I wonder when lift-off occurs? 😂
well over 300 apparently.

seen few of videos of suby 1303s doing close to 300 on the autobahn

if you setup the suspension and areo correctly it will stay stable until you run out of power to go any faster.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#943530
vlad01 wrote:[if you setup the suspension and areo correctly it will stay stable until you run out of power to go any faster.
Cool.

There you go Steve.....put the pedal to the metal dude.😂
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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#943588




there you go.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#943645
Steve, here's Wallys Lbug doing 220km/h on the autobahn and that looks like its sitting still.

running 17psi boost too



I haven't been game to take mine past 180kmh, it felt stable enough but I was running out of road.

Jak Rizzo Insano Dub Head

837 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#943650
mine does 225kph (6100rpm) down Eastern Creek straight & it feels fine. Just like going to church on Sunday morning

I have taken it to just shy of 7000rpm a couple of times on a private test track, years ago when I was young & care free........

Both times the car felt fine, I'm sure the front spoiler with the air intake for the radiator had quite a bit to do with the stability.

Superbugs were made for these speeds😂

I love when you are doing 140kph in 4th & you put your foot down & it squats & takes off. LMAO. It never gets old.

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#943696
Jak Rizzo wrote:mine does 225kph (6100rpm) down Eastern Creek straight & it feels fine. Just like going to church on Sunday morning

I have taken it to just shy of 7000rpm a couple of times on a private test track, years ago when I was young & care free........

Both times the car felt fine, I'm sure the front spoiler with the air intake for the radiator had quite a bit to do with the stability.

Superbugs were made for these speeds😂

I love when you are doing 140kph in 4th & you put your foot down & it squats & takes off. LMAO. It never gets old.
absolutely the front spoiler would help. with VWs flat floor pan unlike other cars it would really help to create a strong vacuum to hold the car down. Vacuum + large flat surface area = strong down force.

I want to put a spoiler on my type 3, seen some pics of a front spoiler and its to die for. looks sick but tasteful for an old car at the same time.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

lou0060 Wolfsburg Wizard

568 posts · joined Dec 2010 ·

#943716
1303Steve wrote:Hi

There's no way I will find the limits of the bugs aerodynamics, but 5th is nice on the freeway.

My car has sat inside for too long near a river and has now developed a little bit of rust, the paint guy said he will fix soon but he wants me to treat the area with some fish oil first.

Cant wait for Wakefield Lou, but cars a bit heavy, 1080 kgs +

Gear calculator for you Luo http://www.osella.com.au/gear-ratios.htm

Steve

1080 plus the driver
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
1971 karmann ghia Cabrio - Cruising 👍
1963 beetle Sunroof - gathering dust 🥲
1968 race beetle - twin turbo Subaru - stress relief 😁
1960 beetle - old school low & slow 😏

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#943730
lou0060 wrote:1080 plus the driver
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm not eating again until next week, do you think shaving my head will help?

lou0060 Wolfsburg Wizard

568 posts · joined Dec 2010 ·

#943838
only if you have a sunroof or the drivers window is down....😂😂😂
1971 karmann ghia Cabrio - Cruising 👍
1963 beetle Sunroof - gathering dust 🥲
1968 race beetle - twin turbo Subaru - stress relief 😁
1960 beetle - old school low & slow 😏

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#944345
Hi

Disappointing day at the dyno today.

With all the heat buildup around radiator because of the lack of airflow, the fuel pump started to make funny noises and cavitate and was making the motor run hairy over 5,000.

So I have a safe tune upto 5000, I will need to tune the eBoost at the track.

So no power figures as such but I did see 169kw on the screen once, the dyno is a very old but a good one but is not hooked up to printers etc like later dynos.

So the question is do I have another dyno run to get a peice of paper that I can flash around or just leave it as it is.

I also will need to rethink my fuel pump layout.

Steve

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#944364
I think get it to the drags in Sydney and your little slip will be all the paper you need 👍
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Birdman Wolfsburg Wizard

428 posts · joined May 2010 ·

#944379
Maybe we didn't need to buy those Aero guards afterall? lol

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#944416
Hi

I just had a thought.

I'm running a VSS of my front wheel so the ECU wasn't receiving a speed input on the dyno.

I'm also using the factory fuel pump controller which varies fuel pump speed depending on power loads.

So I wonder if my ECU wasn't upping the fuel pump speed because it thought the car wasn't moving ?

Steve

SebastienPeek Custom Title Time!

1,657 posts · joined May 2011 ·

#944418
That sounds like exactly what it could be, if your fuel pump speed depends on the speed of which the car is moving, it would be starving the injectors.

Hopefully you can get it resolved, but maybe something like Joel's setup around the rear axle is needed?

Thanks for the chat yesterday too!
The sold one, '73 VW 1303 - Zelda
The project, '74 VW 1303 - Gretl

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#944428
1303Steve wrote:Hi

I just had a thought.

I'm running a VSS of my front wheel so the ECU wasn't receiving a speed input on the dyno.

I'm also using the factory fuel pump controller which varies fuel pump speed depending on power loads.

So I wonder if my ECU wasn't upping the fuel pump speed because it thought the car wasn't moving ?

Steve
can't you just reconfigure that in the ecu program?

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#944432
🙁

Move the sensor to the rear

Do another dyno session Steve, that's not enough!

You should be over 200kw and 8000rpm easy peasy


What pumps and regulator are you using?..........rising rate regulator is enough on the notch with pumps running constant speed.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#944465
Hi

Im using a VDO sensor that runs off the speedo cable, so that cant be moved, the G50 has an electric speedo output, I may be able to use that for VSS.

My fuel pump was making some horible noises on the dyno. Its an eBay 044, I callled into the local EFI spares place today, it appears to be non genuine so it could be a Chinese copy.

I bought genuine 044 from them, I will fit that tomorrow. Next week I will move the surge tank and pump to the rear of the car.

At the moment I have a Carter lift pump under the tank, the surge tank and 044 are mounted in the boot just in frront of the fuel tank.

The amount of heatsoak onthe

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#944466
Hi

Im at the side of the road using my work data terminal, it just went funny, so I made the last post before it lost what I had just written.

The heatsoak on the dyno was incredible, the bulk head under fuel tank inside the car was almost too hot to touch.

I will get another dyno soon but I want to get all my isuues sorted first.

Nice to talk to you Seb, how did you get on with Kmac?

Steve

SuperOwen Fahrvergnugen

868 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#944513
How do you like the e boost? I think they leave a lot to be desired in the user friendliness department.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#944519
Hi

I always have to read the instructions for the eBoost when I want to change a setting, then next time I go to use it I forget how to use it. That's what 21 year olds are for.

Its good for bringing up peak boost and revs.

Steve

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#944554
1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im using a VDO sensor that runs off the speedo cable, so that cant be moved, the G50 has an electric speedo output, I may be able to use that for VSS.

My fuel pump was making some horible noises on the dyno. Its an eBay 044, I callled into the local EFI spares place today, it appears to be non genuine so it could be a Chinese copy.

I bought genuine 044 from them, I will fit that tomorrow. Next week I will move the surge tank and pump to the rear of the car.

At the moment I have a Carter lift pump under the tank, the surge tank and 044 are mounted in the boot just in frront of the fuel tank.

The amount of heatsoak onthe

haha that will do it.

ebay is your friend though.


🙅🙄

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

SebastienPeek Custom Title Time!

1,657 posts · joined May 2011 ·

#944557
1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im at the side of the road using my work data terminal, it just went funny, so I made the last post before it lost what I had just written.

The heatsoak on the dyno was incredible, the bulk head under fuel tank inside the car was almost too hot to touch.

I will get another dyno soon but I want to get all my isuues sorted first.

Nice to talk to you Seb, how did you get on with Kmac?

Steve
Geeze, a lot of heat is not good!

I spoke to Kevin, he seems to be keen to do it.
Just need to make sure it is what I want (money wise, it is a bit steep) and that it'll be compatible with a strut brace and so forth.

Thanks for the pointers with the camber though, may have a play with that before going the Kmac way!
The sold one, '73 VW 1303 - Zelda
The project, '74 VW 1303 - Gretl

SuperOwen Fahrvergnugen

868 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#944561
1303Steve wrote:Hi

I always have to read the instructions for the eBoost when I want to change a setting, then next time I go to use it I forget how to use it. That's what 21 year olds are for.

Its good for bringing up peak boost and revs.

Steve
Even the instructions were fairly hopeless and the tech support guys had no clue either!! I think I've got the hang of it now, but still don't like it very much.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#944563
Hi

There is some good you tube videos that I found helped me. What sort do you have? I have an eBoost 2.

Steve