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shaven Insano Dub Head

729 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#958375
empi wrote:
shaven wrote:is anyone making these... if so which are the BEST & why... just want opinions.
cheers matty

just lower yr car the normal way... have u got yr tyres yet?
saw the guy today that has my tyres... 2 x tyres here... had to wait for the others to come into the country. going away for a week. when I get back booked in to get them put on the rims... then im coming to your place 😂😘
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ocdrbug Seriously Crusin Dubber

169 posts · joined May 2012 ·

#959740
Is the type 1 beam a straight bolton deal or are there many mods.🤓
Cool is in the eye of the beholder.🤘

empi Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,131 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#959853
^^^^???^^^^^ bolt on drop spindles to a type 1 beam = yes. type 1 beam into type 3.... err no lots of mods
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beetle_nut Wolfsburg Wizard

465 posts · joined Jan 2012 ·

#959877
And some..lots of mods amd stuffing around..🙄

shaven Insano Dub Head

729 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#960028
beetle_nut wrote:And some..lots of mods amd stuffing around..🙄
call you tomorrow😎
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beetle_nut Wolfsburg Wizard

465 posts · joined Jan 2012 ·

#960195
shaven wrote:
beetle_nut wrote:And some..lots of mods amd stuffing around..🙄
call you tomorrow😎
You never called.
Knew I should have got you to buy me dinner first.😂😂🤪

shaven Insano Dub Head

729 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#960479
did... well messaged😘
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7,671 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·

#960482
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Transformer Learner Dubber

2 posts · joined Jun 2013 ·

#960629
Hi guys, first post.
I bought a pair of Bert3 dropped spindles last year and have just got around to fitting them. Problem is I've seen references to deflection tests etc. and would like to hear from anyone who is actually using them on their T3.
I have an Engineer handling the body mods (chopped, sectioned, A and B pillars moved and raked, 18x8 wheels, bonnet and guards etc.) which he's cool with but I'm wondering if these spindles will freak him out.
Anyone got any info?

eXraycer Seriously Crusin Dubber

166 posts · joined May 2012 ·

#960725
Transformer wrote:Hi guys, first post.
I bought a pair of Bert3 dropped spindles last year and have just got around to fitting them. Problem is I've seen references to deflection tests etc. and would like to hear from anyone who is actually using them on their T3.
I have an Engineer handling the body mods (chopped, sectioned, A and B pillars moved and raked, 18x8 wheels, bonnet and guards etc.) which he's cool with but I'm wondering if these spindles will freak him out.
Anyone got any info?
Been looking into those myself. I noticed its the last run of those spindles so I'm also keen to know how the engineer might assess them. Haven't bought a set though. Quite expensive bit of kit but by far the best drop spindle I've seen.
They are quite a peice of work aren't they? What state are you from?

Heres the code I found which is what the engineer is trying to satisfy.

NCOP

shaven Insano Dub Head

729 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#960850
eXraycer wrote:
Transformer wrote:Hi guys, first post.
I bought a pair of Bert3 dropped spindles last year and have just got around to fitting them. Problem is I've seen references to deflection tests etc. and would like to hear from anyone who is actually using them on their T3.
I have an Engineer handling the body mods (chopped, sectioned, A and B pillars moved and raked, 18x8 wheels, bonnet and guards etc.) which he's cool with but I'm wondering if these spindles will freak him out.
Anyone got any info?
Been looking into those myself. I noticed its the last run of those spindles so I'm also keen to know how the engineer might assess them. Haven't bought a set though. Quite expensive bit of kit but by far the best drop spindle I've seen.
They are quite a peice of work aren't they? What state are you from?

Heres the code I found which is what the engineer is trying to satisfy.

NCOP
because im sooo tech minded hahaha
from what ive been told (explained) that because these spindles are milled (they look farking awesome) & not cast then they would be fine when it comes to any stress test, performance test or deflection testing...
im getting some😎
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eXraycer Seriously Crusin Dubber

166 posts · joined May 2012 ·

#960957
shaven wrote:because im sooo tech minded hahaha
from what ive been told (explained) that because these spindles are milled (they look farking awesome) & not cast then they would be fine when it comes to any stress test, performance test or deflection testing...
im getting some😎
Your not planning to run wide 5 disk brakes with those spindles are you?
Those BerT3 spindles are pretty specific to regular type3 (4stud) disk brake calipers. Custom wide five kit might be a little tricky to fit from what I can tell cause stock VW calipers are too thick to fit between the disk rotor and the wheel stud flange. I'd really like to see a set up-close before I shelled out for them or decide to use standard brakes that I know will fit. I know Vlad tried to set up these spindles with that big brake set up he bought from another forum member but he couldn't make it fit. Id hate to buy such a killer spindle and then be faced with compatibility issues cause I'm trying to keep the car on wide 5 stud pattern. I know with enough ingenuity and access to different calipers and machinery there's probably a solution to that dilemma (Wide five disks with street legal drop spindles) but its a spendy proposition with no guarantees of success. Aarrrgh, my head hurts.

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#961115
eXraycer wrote:
shaven wrote:because im sooo tech minded hahaha
from what ive been told (explained) that because these spindles are milled (they look farking awesome) & not cast then they would be fine when it comes to any stress test, performance test or deflection testing...
im getting some😎
Your not planning to run wide 5 disk brakes with those spindles are you?
Those BerT3 spindles are pretty specific to regular type3 (4stud) disk brake calipers. Custom wide five kit might be a little tricky to fit from what I can tell cause stock VW calipers are too thick to fit between the disk rotor and the wheel stud flange. I'd really like to see a set up-close before I shelled out for them or decide to use standard brakes that I know will fit. I know Vlad tried to set up these spindles with that big brake set up he bought from another forum member but he couldn't make it fit. Id hate to buy such a killer spindle and then be faced with compatibility issues cause I'm trying to keep the car on wide 5 stud pattern. I know with enough ingenuity and access to different calipers and machinery there's probably a solution to that dilemma (Wide five disks with street legal drop spindles) but its a spendy proposition with no guarantees of success. Aarrrgh, my head hurts.
The bert3 spindles are friggin awesome, but with some problems, they are engineered with no margin for further mods. Stock factory ball joints, factory calipers and factory spec'd wheels are a must.

For that reason I sold mine, as much as I tried I could not fit larger brakes (only exception I think is CSP vented brakes for type 3), even had problem with the ball joints too coz oz must of used a different OEM supplier compared to Germany? a Royal PITA. So I went from brakes over lowering. Brakes are a must for me so the choice was a no brainer 😘


having said all of this, there is a chance volvo or BMW calipers might fits, but you are breaking balls with clearance.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#961116
ok if you really want to use the BerT3 spindles then you need the CSP brake kit (same footprint but wider calipers and wider vented disks)

http://www.csp-shop.com/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=18569347700&rub1=Wheels%20%2F%20Brakes&rub2=Brake%20Systems%2CBrake%20Systems%20front%2CType-3%2CPCD%204x130&artnr=10773d&pn=0&sort=0&all=

And then you will need a racing/street compound pads like QFM's A1RM pads. You should be pretty damn close to having enough brake performance for 150-200hp engine with these spindles. Type 3s are heavy and need the brakes.

So many people seem to say the type 3 brakes are awesome, imho they are rubbish. probably coz most people would of come from beetles so they say they are good lol.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

empi Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,131 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#961192
Rich coming from someone who doesnt actually drive his car!!
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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#961201
empi wrote:Rich coming from someone who doesnt actually drive his car!!
And you know this information based on?

come on mate, don't deny these brakes suck.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

cruiser Seriously Crusin Dubber

193 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#961214

The bert3 spindles are friggin awesome, but with some problems, they are engineered with no margin for further mods. Stock factory ball joints, factory calipers and factory spec'd wheels are a must.

For that reason I sold mine, as much as I tried I could not fit larger brakes (only exception I think is CSP vented brakes for type 3), even had problem with the ball joints too coz oz must of used a different OEM supplier compared to Germany? a Royal PITA. So I went from brakes over lowering. Brakes are a must for me so the choice was a no brainer 😘
Mine bolted up perfectly ok, 4 stud and stock discs. Been driving on them for about 4 years now. Only complaint came from the tyre shop doing the new alignment as the lower ball joint is quite close to the rim.

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#961223
I tired every ball joint I had, all interfered with the spindles, was going to get some metal milled but by then I had tried my bigger calipers but wouldn't fit, so I gave lol

Anyway, if your going stock they are a real good bit of kit, I would highly recommend them.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

Transformer Learner Dubber

2 posts · joined Jun 2013 ·

#961291
eXraycer wrote:
Transformer wrote:Hi guys, first post.
I bought a pair of Bert3 dropped spindles last year and have just got around to fitting them. Problem is I've seen references to deflection tests etc. and would like to hear from anyone who is actually using them on their T3.
I have an Engineer handling the body mods (chopped, sectioned, A and B pillars moved and raked, 18x8 wheels, bonnet and guards etc.) which he's cool with but I'm wondering if these spindles will freak him out.
Anyone got any info?
Been looking into those myself. I noticed its the last run of those spindles so I'm also keen to know how the engineer might assess them. Haven't bought a set though. Quite expensive bit of kit but by far the best drop spindle I've seen.
They are quite a peice of work aren't they? What state are you from?

Heres the code I found which is what the engineer is trying to satisfy.

NCOP



NSW/VIC border.

Yeah they certainly look the part, question is will they meet the tests if the Engineer gets all bitter and twisted? They've been around for years and I was hoping someone would have tried to meet the Vehicle Standards by now. I've had a look at the Code (thanks) only got halfway thru before the brain turned to mush, too old for this stuff.

Tempted to get the body mods signed off without the spindles etc. but it's going to look strange (crap) with stock wheels and tyres, don't think he'll buy it and even if he did the plate recognition cameras would soon take the fun out of it.

Will wait to see if anyone else chips in. Photo taken when re-radiusing the wheel arches.

vdubin Commited Dubber

51 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#994871
I was looking into buying these , But I also have a T1 Beam I think I'm better off using the T1 Beam.

I know I'll never get a reply but Transformer must be from around my way ..
VITS 2016
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vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·

#994877
I see all the conversions for a type one beam but these are made for a lighter car and i do not see how they any engineer would aprove that conversion