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1967 1300 "Race Bug" - Updated 29/06/2016 Vintage Speed Exhaust!!

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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#942575
I got a better light to have a look in the tunnel and see what's going on and I found where the 2 pieces join (phew) I took some pics of it.

Inside where they join; has this middle mount moved to a weird location or is this normal? It appears to be mounting the accelerator cable tube


This is where this hole is


This is up front; is my clutch hook in a funny location or is this ok?




The trusty 1200 Bentley Manual shows the below
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#942576
Have you late pedals fitted to early pan?
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#942578
If I do I wouldn't know; I've not touched the pedal cluster since buying the car in 2003.

Here is a UK pedal cluster from a 60-64 bug RHD
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#942590
What are YOUR pedals though. Your pic shows the hook only, it looks like a welded hook which is the later pedals that are not cast assemblies like your UK internet pic which is what we would have up to '67. The late pedal assembliy (welded pressed metal construction) have the clutch hook further to the left in the pan, so adaption is required. I mod the pedals, maybe your car they butchered the clutch-tube with a late pedal assembly.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#942592
Ask and you shall receive; definately not an early one


And a pic inside the tunnel; I've got some better access now so have "joined" the pieces together. The back section is also loose so it needed to be pushed backwards. No wonder I couldn't get a bow in the bowden tube, the guide tube was always to far forward.

BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#942593
My cluster was pieced together by the bush mechanics
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#942594
They pieced together the wrong pedals
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#942596
what do you think the best course of action is?

I can get the cable through and get the car going but it isn't going to achieve much. The pedal cluster well that is a cluster F*&K but it works but I might try and find a replacement one for my model.

The guide tube though I might get it tacked into place where it is and then once I've got a new cluster have a new tube welded into place where it is supposed to be.

I wonder if cold welding the front and back of the guide tube will get me out of trouble?
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#942598
You need to weigh up what you want. To change to early pedals, you'll need to get the pedals (in good nick) and change the mounting point on the pan where the outboard mount is. I'm thinking a new clutch tube securely mounted but to meet the late clutch hook, will be the easiest, you already have access holes and the tube is loose now, so that needs fixing anyhow.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#942600
That year bug was the first with those late pedals in Australia.
Daimo Pell's is the same model from memory, the last Aussie cars before the fully imported '68.
Whether VW Australia was smart enough to change the clutch tube position to suit? probably not.
Which may be why it has broken loose.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#942602
Thanks Dave, my mistake, obviously late '67, one would think.

I'm sure the factory would have changed the pan as I think there is around 40-50mm difference in the two different locations (by memory)
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#942607
The speedo shows May 67

I think what I'll do is just get a whole new tube welded in and close her up; done.

Whats the best material; stainless, copper, aluminium or steel?
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#945213
The little beastie lives again; got the clutch tube fixed up and put the engine back in this weekend. Running all good now leak free. Just need to check timing, valves & mixture, sync and top up oil.

She has been off the road for a little while now so It was good to take it around the block again.
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#945228
Cool.

Yeah missed the updates Sean , sorry ... Same pedal assembly as mine.

Good to fire em up after a period of garagedness hey....

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#960185
Took it for a brief run again today; had to buy a new battery for her after the 7 year NRMA battery final wouldn't take charge.

Had to clear some stuff from the old rental and didn't have the tiguan..... so Bug to the rescue (again!) took out the passenger seat and loaded her up with some stuff. This would be about the 6th time she has helped me move house!

BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#962491
Been plagued by a sticky throttle since putting twin carbs on the car and poked around to see what the issue could be; turns out the accelerator pedal has been minced together and re-welded in one spot so I found some rod ends which I got a few years back in error with a left hand thread; joined them together with some threaded rod and attached to the accelerator. Lateral's thread on his resto and daimo's help put me in the right direction!

I would recommend this type of upgrade to your pedal; I now have absolute max travel and really smooth pedal; getting around the city is going to be sooooo much better than before as a plus heel and toe should be possible! 👍👍👍

BEFORE



AFTER
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#962495
So when are the 1.25 rockers going on ?


sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#962505
Once I get around the purchasing them 😀

Going for some CB rockers "super stock" 1.25:1 they literally slip on without drama and use the stock adjusting screws
http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1692

The other thing which I'll be getting before the end of the year is some titanium vale retainers to lighten up the valvetrain
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#962513
changed the regular nuts to nyloc nuts that I had lying around and spaced the bottom attachment point out a bit so the angle on the rod end isn't as severe.

Heel and toe is definitely now possible 😏
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#962534
Flip the rod end at the pedal round the other way

Titanium retainers. Hmmmm, not for high mileage

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#962535
hellbugged wrote:Flip the rod end at the pedal round the other way

Titanium retainers.... Hmmmm, not for high milage
tried the rod end on the other side it interferes with the pedal edge and doesn't line up with the hole.

In all honesty it is all a bit over engineered for the purpose but it only cost me $3 to do because of all this shite I had

Do the retainers wear out?
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#962536
hellbugged wrote:Titanium retainers.... Hmmmm, not for high milage


he does about 50km/year....so that won't be a problem 😂😂


sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#962539
Craig Torrens wrote:
hellbugged wrote:Titanium retainers.... Hmmmm, not for high milage


he does about 50km/year....so that won't be a problem 😂😂
Pretty much the case at the moment but it's more like 100km/month 😂😂 (because thats high mileage....)
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

fish26 Fahrvergnugen

903 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#968818
Interesting thread, this whole 1300 banter......
Just curious, you have a Tighe 148A 37/68 cam, where do you find the powerband is with your combo considering the cam is on the large side for a 1300
bitten by the bug..........several times

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#968924
fish26 wrote:Interesting thread, this whole 1300 banter......
Just curious, you have a Tighe 148A 37/68 cam, where do you find the powerband is with your combo considering the cam is on the large side for a 1300
I don't have a tacho; so that is pretty hard to for me to tell.

Going off what Stan has told me; it should be at 5500rpm max and come in around the 3k mark.... that is based off a 1641cc - best guess I'm on par....

It actually is a pretty strong motor for it's cc's. Driving it down to coffs and back the other month really gave me an indication of how it runs, especially in all the back roads around coffs and lismore (due to detour). It is running out of breath though at about 130-140kph, which is the exhaust I think.
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

fish26 Fahrvergnugen

903 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#969035
Thanks mate, good insight
bitten by the bug..........several times

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#969217
Soooo, despite all instincts to whack a good extractor on the thing like a big flange glass pack etc.... I've purchased a stock muffler...

BUT; I plan to ventilate this thing well enough that it will flow better than my GT thing that I have at the moment (which according to a volksworld test made less power than a stock muffler anyway on a 1600).

I got it today and went to it with the cutting wheel as it was clinking on the inside; turns out the pipes off 2 & 4 had snapped off and come loose in a couple of spots which meant they just pulled out. Unlike the muffler shown on the VWDCQINC website this one had 2 equal length pipes with a crimp on the end. The photos were taken just after a bit of a clean out so it looks a little moist inside.

Plan is to replace these pipes with new ones without the crimp and without the holes so that they basically direct it out their respective tailpipes directly; might look at directing the 2 & 4 inlets too, and then add on some straight pipes or TDE tail pipes. I'll then get it powder-coated in stock grey colour or ceramic coated (inside & out)

Without adieu the photos




BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#969221
Well I've had a win on the selling for a porsche thing; the bug is NOT being sold 😎
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

SuperOwen Fahrvergnugen

868 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#969223
After cutting it open do you think it would have been easier to make a muffler from scratch a bit like an arbarth style system?
I like the idea of keeping it stock looking though, what tailpipes are you going to run?

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#969226
SuperOwen wrote:After cutting it open do you think it would have been easier to make a muffler from scratch a bit like an arbarth style system?
I like the idea of keeping it stock looking though, what tailpipes are you going to run?
Probably... but I also can't weld so would need to leave the car with someone to do this etc... plus have a "stock" looking can is part of the appeal.

I think for pipes I'll be getting the TDE tail pipes; but this is up in the air; what ever I get I want stock looking
http://www.tde-kaefer-tuning.de/index.php?pageid=9
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗