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LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
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not to mention the subwoofer/ speaker box right behind rear seatCraig Torrens wrote:LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
whats a large aftermarket sump, external oil filter and coolers filled with extra oil weigh.......no one has a problem adding that extra weight to the rear of a beetle !!!
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Wow, surprised to here you say that Craig. Adding all that weight does make your car handle worse. The engine is behind the axle and so extra engine weight means more rear bias, so reduces front end grip and increases the pendulum out the back. Now day to day you may think it's un-noticeable, but it WILL make an effect. The time you might notice it is that little loose that you may have caught without the extra pendumum but with it you missed catching it and it sent you into the wall. Same on the street IMO, that near miss could get turned into that spin into on coming traffic/tree/whatever....you get the idea.Craig Torrens wrote:LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
whats a large aftermarket sump, external oil filter and coolers filled with extra oil weigh.......no one has a problem adding that extra weight to the rear of a beetle !!!
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I'll see you, Matt...and raise another 2c.matberry wrote:Wow, surprised to here you say that Craig. Adding all that weight does make your car handle worse. The engine is behind the axle and so extra engine weight means more rear bias, so reduces front end grip and increases the pendulum out the back. Now day to day you may think it's un-noticeable, but it WILL make an effect. The time you might notice it is that little loose that you may have caught without the extra pendumum but with it you missed catching it and it sent you into the wall. Same on the street IMO, that near miss could get turned into that spin into on coming traffic/tree/whatever....you get the idea.Craig Torrens wrote:LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
whats a large aftermarket sump, external oil filter and coolers filled with extra oil weigh.......no one has a problem adding that extra weight to the rear of a beetle !!!
Extra sumps and oil and big carbs all add weight, so it is very important to limit the addition of weight to the engine. you start with an 8kg block, and then add 2 for carbs, another 2 or 3 for big heads, another 3 - 5 for oil, say 1 for oil system. Even the crankshaft gets heavier, about the only thing that looses weight is the flywheel and that is at the front of the engine.... Add it up, lets go with the big numbers as there are definately more heavier parts added that I haven't included (actual sump, c/m pushrods, bigger pistons/cylinders, valve springs, exhaust...it all adds up) So we're pretty close to 20kg without trying to hard....and to think you can't feel that hanging out the back!
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
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Yep that's right Matt, an extra 20kg has been added into a 'modified beetle' already in the rear, with probably 99% of beetle owners experiencing no difference in how the car drives since adding the parts. Its the same with the case, BUGGER ALL will feel the handling change by fitting an engine made with a Ally case.matberry wrote:Wow, surprised to here you say that Craig. Adding all that weight does make your car handle worse. The engine is behind the axle and so extra engine weight means more rear bias, so reduces front end grip and increases the pendulum out the back. Now day to day you may think it's un-noticeable, but it WILL make an effect. The time you might notice it is that little loose that you may have caught without the extra pendumum but with it you missed catching it and it sent you into the wall. Same on the street IMO, that near miss could get turned into that spin into on coming traffic/tree/whatever....you get the idea.Craig Torrens wrote:LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
whats a large aftermarket sump, external oil filter and coolers filled with extra oil weigh.......no one has a problem adding that extra weight to the rear of a beetle !!!
Extra sumps and oil and big carbs all add weight, so it is very important to limit the addition of weight to the engine. you start with an 8kg block, and then add 2 for carbs, another 2 or 3 for big heads, another 3 - 5 for oil, say 1 for oil system. Even the crankshaft gets heavier, about the only thing that looses weight is the flywheel and that is at the front of the engine.... Add it up, lets go with the big numbers as there are definately more heavier parts added that I haven't included (actual sump, c/m pushrods, bigger pistons/cylinders, valve springs, exhaust...it all adds up) So we're pretty close to 20kg without trying to hard....and to think you can't feel that hanging out the back!
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yeah I agree, it would be a placebo effect if you claimed to notice 8 friggen kg.Craig Torrens wrote:My discussion isn't about whether "lighter is faster", its about most VW drivers noticing bugger all difference in the handling of their car if they fitted a motor built using a Ally case over a mag one.👍
Anyway back to the topic.......so what is everyone doing about stockpiling ?
Has there been an increase in retail price yet for the cases ?
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exactly! The only time I had to drive different to correct for the weight was when there was 5 people altogether in the car. how many kg is that?66deluxe wrote:Who cares about the extra weight just learn how to drive to correct the apparent extra weight.
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bajachris88 wrote:If really worried about weight bias, you could offset the additional kgs by moving the battery to the front nose in front of the leading wheels. The distance won't be a problem, as it works for ricers with battery in the boot. thats about 18kgs 👍
I can't say i have seen or heard this done much, apart from drag applications under teh fibreglass front ends (which have the battery still behind the front wheels.)
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Damn........Craig Torrens wrote:Sounds good Matt...............unless its that shonk one that's been welded up?
