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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#967900
217ft lb is the min, according to the book.


Allbones Officially Full-On Dubber

395 posts · joined Jul 2012 ·

#967902
To save starting a new thread, does someone want to let me know what the front stub axel torque setting is? Cheers 🙂

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#967916
pete wood wrote:Ok, so that is me on the end of a 300mm bar. Just as I thought.

What's the maximum?
And tighten nut to the next split-pin slot....don't back it off.🙅
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#967925
pete wood wrote:Ok, so that is me on the end of a 300mm bar. Just as I thought.

What's the maximum?
looks like I would need to use a pipe on the torque wrench then. I am no where near that heavy lol.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#967926
Allbones wrote:To save starting a new thread, does someone want to let me know what the front stub axel torque setting is? Cheers 🙂
have sent You a PM

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#967930
HappyDaze wrote:
pete wood wrote:Ok, so that is me on the end of a 300mm bar. Just as I thought.

What's the maximum?
And tighten nut to the next split-pin slot....don't back it off.🙅
That's what I thought. 👍

Coz most people I've come across way over-tighten them. That can end badly. 🤪
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#967935
Hi

I have a 3/4 inch tension wrench, I can do 217 ft/lb with one hand, they dont need to be overtightened as this can cause other issues.

Steve

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#967940
1303Steve wrote:Hi

I can do 217 ft/lb with one hand.

Steve
That's easy for you to say.😂
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#967942
or 434 with both👍

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#967944
You're all torque, Steve 👍
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#967946
Steve always uses one hand on his nuts 😉


silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#967952
Craig Torrens wrote:Steve always uses one hand on his nuts 😉
and the other on his wrench
😂
Keeping it real !

waltermitty Legend when my beer goggles are on

1,993 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#967980
silver wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:Steve always uses one hand on his nuts 😉
and the other on his wrench
😂
Steve what lube do you use?
Mitchell
23 windows ...8 too many!

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#967997
vlad01 wrote:
pete wood wrote:Ok, so that is me on the end of a 300mm bar. Just as I thought.

What's the maximum?
looks like I would need to use a pipe on the torque wrench then. I am no where near that heavy lol.
If you are using a torque wrench it wouldn't matter if you used a 3 metre bar on it!! It will still only register the maximum torque it's designed for otherwise it will be damaged. If it's designed to do 217 lbs ft then the length of handle should be long enough one would think for any adult.

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#968013
pete wood wrote:300mm = 30cm = 0.3m or 1 foot. 😉

P.s. is that you Dallas?
Yes Pete. Good to see you are still playing with VWs Pete.

I was lucky a few weeks back with the notch! that tree in next doors yard came down on the workshop. In the process of getting it demolished and re built. Notch and machinery survived but 'other toys" didn't. Lucky for insurance covering it all. Be aware that anything which blows over your fence is your proplem. Not where it came from. Slowly getting there!! See post in Chit Chat.

DH

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#968042
1500S wrote:
vlad01 wrote:
pete wood wrote:Ok, so that is me on the end of a 300mm bar. Just as I thought.

What's the maximum?
looks like I would need to use a pipe on the torque wrench then. I am no where near that heavy lol.
If you are using a torque wrench it wouldn't matter if you used a 3 metre bar on it!! It will still only register the maximum torque it's designed for otherwise it will be damaged. If it's designed to do 217 lbs ft then the length of handle should be long enough one would think for any adult.
yeah I mean I wont even be heavy enough to reach that torque with standard 300mm length of the torque wrench. but with the trailing arm removed and a safe means of holding the stub flange in a vice, one can pull that torque fairly easy. After all everyone is stronger than their body weight. But doing it on the car will require a longer handle or a pipe.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#968081
vlad01 wrote:
1500S wrote:
vlad01 wrote:
pete wood wrote:Ok, so that is me on the end of a 300mm bar. Just as I thought.

What's the maximum?
looks like I would need to use a pipe on the torque wrench then. I am no where near that heavy lol.
If you are using a torque wrench it wouldn't matter if you used a 3 metre bar on it!! It will still only register the maximum torque it's designed for otherwise it will be damaged. If it's designed to do 217 lbs ft then the length of handle should be long enough one would think for any adult.
yeah I mean I wont even be heavy enough to reach that torque with standard 300mm length of the torque wrench. but with the trailing arm removed and a safe means of holding the stub flange in a vice, one can pull that torque fairly easy. After all everyone is stronger than their body weight. But doing it on the car will require a longer handle or a pipe.
Vlad, I sincerly hope that you have more mechanical knowledge than you suggest by using an extension bar on a torque wrench due to the fact a torque wrench 400mm long is usually only around 120 ft lbs (Warren and Brown type). By doing that will only damage it. The only way to increase the torque with a small scale torque wrench is to use a torque multiplier............. but you are surely going to tell us that you knew that and just meant you were going to put a piece of pipe on a socket/breaker bar to reduce your effort to tighten the 36mm axle nut.

I actually know what it took to undo the axle nut on Pete's buggy axle a couple of years ago, no doubt caused by someone (not Pete!) who didn't have a clue on what torque was being applied to the nut.

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#968083
^ how many of your custom heavy-duty breaker-bar fittings did we break before it came undone? I think it was 2 from memory. 👎
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#968123
1500S wrote:
vlad01 wrote:
1500S wrote:
vlad01 wrote:
pete wood wrote:Ok, so that is me on the end of a 300mm bar. Just as I thought.

What's the maximum?
looks like I would need to use a pipe on the torque wrench then. I am no where near that heavy lol.
If you are using a torque wrench it wouldn't matter if you used a 3 metre bar on it!! It will still only register the maximum torque it's designed for otherwise it will be damaged. If it's designed to do 217 lbs ft then the length of handle should be long enough one would think for any adult.
yeah I mean I wont even be heavy enough to reach that torque with standard 300mm length of the torque wrench. but with the trailing arm removed and a safe means of holding the stub flange in a vice, one can pull that torque fairly easy. After all everyone is stronger than their body weight. But doing it on the car will require a longer handle or a pipe.
Vlad, I sincerly hope that you have more mechanical knowledge than you suggest by using an extension bar on a torque wrench due to the fact a torque wrench 400mm long is usually only around 120 ft lbs (Warren and Brown type). By doing that will only damage it. The only way to increase the torque with a small scale torque wrench is to use a torque multiplier............. but you are surely going to tell us that you knew that and just meant you were going to put a piece of pipe on a socket/breaker bar to reduce your effort to tighten the 36mm axle nut.

I actually know what it took to undo the axle nut on Pete's buggy axle a couple of years ago, no doubt caused by someone (not Pete!) who didn't have a clue on what torque was being applied to the nut.
umm? no I 2 have W&B wrenchs one micro and the big one goes to 220ft, even with 100 ft-lb bolts I do up I am putting a lot of force to get to it, typically leaning back with both arms on it.

its simple math, 1 ft-lb is 1 lb at the end of a 1 foot bar, simple! they are about 1 foot or there abouts so 217ft-lb is 98kg of force on a 1 foot bar.

my point is, I wont be able to even get to 217ft-lb with my body weight on the torque wrench, so I will need to extent it in order to get there. If I double the length I can do it by pushing with effort half of what it would be without. And you telling me I have know knowledge of this? 🙅

I normally use a 2m pipe on a 3/4" drive breaker bar and jump on it to undo the nut.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#968135
Well, just to throw a spanner in the works, I use somewhere closer to 350-400 ft/lb as 217 is not enough in the real world. In the trade doing nothing but ac VW's, if I used 217, I would go broke replacing flogged out drums.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#968141
matberry wrote:Well, just to throw a spanner in the works, I use somewhere closer to 350-400 ft/lb as 217 is not enough in the real world. In the trade doing nothing but ac VW's, if I used 217, I would go broke replacing flogged out drums.
Me too.....even on the 356 drums.👍
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#968146
matberry wrote:Well, just to throw a spanner in the works, I use somewhere closer to 350-400 ft/lb as 217 is not enough in the real world. In the trade doing nothing but ac VW's, if I used 217, I would go broke replacing flogged out drums.
that's a good point, I always thought if it was necessary for more than the factory spec?

guess you answered my question without me even asking.

do you use a thread lube as well? wondering if a lubed thread with the factory spec would be similar to your specs, that is if you install them dry though.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#968153
I find a smear of copper-slip reduces wear&tear on the threads, and makes it easier to un-do the nuts. Also stops water from seeping into the threads and splines.... those bastards can 'rust on'.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#968162
matberry wrote:Well, just to throw a spanner in the works, I use somewhere closer to 350-400 ft/lb as 217 is not enough in the real world. In the trade doing nothing but ac VW's, if I used 217, I would go broke replacing flogged out drums.
Ok, but at what point are you just stretching the axle threads?
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#968163
Always a lubed thread. I've said it before and I'll say it again, up to 700% increase in clamp force between dry and properly lubed thread and washer.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE