looking at doing an ej20t transplant into my 70's 1500 beetle.
can anyone tell me exactly what i need. ie can i fit the motor to the stock gearbox? what wiring do i need? what instrument cluster parts do i need?
any help would be great
thanks
Tyler
Bizarre ·
Sorry - but you haven't even tried to look. have you
SebastienPeek ·
Best research as much as you can and then come back with specific questions.
Read Steve's and Joel's conversion threads, those questions will have been answered already in there and many other threads.
Do a quick search!
whathaveidone ·
You will need an ej20t conversion kit!!!!!!!
turboty ·
whathaveidone wrote:You will need an ej20t conversion kit!!!!!!!
lol
turboty ·
SebastienPeek wrote:Best research as much as you can and then come back with specific questions.
Read Steve's and Joel's conversion threads, those questions will have been answered already in there and many other threads.
Do a quick search!
i have had a look, but its hard to get a list over the 10-15 odd pages.. just want a check list of things i need
1303Steve ·
Hi
If your car is a swinger you cant move the trans forward.
If your a good scrounger you can find a lot of stuff cheap and if you are sensible you can get away for a while with a stock trans. Im not sensible so I fitted a very expensive gearbox.
I may miss a few things, raditor, fan and cooling pipe, lots of hose clamps, adaptor and clutch, upgraded brakes, exhaust & engneers report. Talk to an engineer 1st.
Steve
helbus ·
There is no specific list. Read other posts and research and think about what you want to achieve. There is a hundred ways to make a chocolate cake, and a hundred ways to put a Subaru engine in a Volkswagen. The question is now posed to you. What exactly do you want? Price, ability, tools, engine size, power output, economy, wiring, reliability, radiator position, gearbox ratios, engineers report and legality? There is no 'best' . What do you want?
Jak Rizzo ·
I love how people who have never done a conversion are in the "Conversion" section of the forum giving advice. Brilliant.
I have seen this car on youtube... beast ...
I have a swing? Will this make things hard? I have also been looking at a 12a or 13b as they are alot smaller. Any opinions?
Bizarre ·
Jak Rizzo wrote:I love how people who have never done a conversion are in the "Conversion" section of the forum giving advice. Brilliant.
Not sure what your point is Jak, but mine was there is a heap of info out there for the taking.
It isn't that hard to find
Barry
Jak Rizzo ·
Mine is a very very basic conversion compared to others, but it has been going now for over 8 years.
As Steve mention above, a conversion in swing axle will most likely mean that the quad cam covesr will petrude from the body as you can't move a swing axle transmission forward like you can with an IRS version. A Superbug is an ideal candidate although they are not to everyone's taste's. Superbugs also have the benifit of alot of space for that dirty word, Radiator, up the front.
I have no opinion on Rotary engines as I have never owned one
Jak Rizzo ·
Bizarre wrote:
Jak Rizzo wrote:I love how people who have never done a conversion are in the "Conversion" section of the forum giving advice. Brilliant.
Not sure what your point is Jak, but mine was there is a heap of info out there for the taking.
It isn't that hard to find
Barry
so why didn't you say that? or maybe give Tyler some links if it's so easy?
The search engine on this forum is very frustrating, at best.
I wish 8 years ago I could have just asked & someone give me some links to read up on.
turboty ·
Jak Rizzo wrote:
Bizarre wrote:
Jak Rizzo wrote:I love how people who have never done a conversion are in the "Conversion" section of the forum giving advice. Brilliant.
Not sure what your point is Jak, but mine was there is a heap of info out there for the taking.
It isn't that hard to find
Barry
so why didn't you say that? or maybe give Tyler some links if it's so easy?
The search engine on this forum is very frustrating, at best.
I wish 8 years ago I could have just asked & someone give me some links to read up on.
thanks jak,
and i am looking... 🙅
helbus ·
I have done an EJ22 conversion into a Bay bus, and my mate Nut has done an EJ Turbo into a Bus.
It is good to know what you want as a goal to help provide info.
Birdman ·
13b is too big
Joel ·
Just curious what makes you say that?
physical size or power?
My 70 Beetle was 13B powered for almost 20 years.
a stock 13B is only making the same power as a stock EJ22 and less torque too.
Mine just had one of John Shermans fibreglass aprons with a cut in it near the decklid latch to clear the old fan hub, other than that no body mods for engine fitment.
1303Steve ·
Hi
I think a 13B would be too big for NSW legal registration, not sure where turboty lives.
What does a Beetle weigh in at? I think 850 kg. The legal maximum motor size would then be (850 x 3 = 2550) 2550 cc a 13B is 2600 cc
Steve
turboty ·
I live in ACT, would a 12a turbo be good as I dont want to cut anything as this is a kit car...
Joel ·
Cheers Steve that makes more sense.
Mine was converted back in the 80s so who knows what the laws were like back then and I'm sure would not have been policed like they are now.
It was a 70 1500 beetle, they weighed in at 780kg from memory.
Tyler, you'll probbaly find a turbo rotary will be over the power to weight restriction in a vw/vw based kit car.
MickH ·
Power to weight restrictions??? LOL....a turbo EJ in a buggy is legal.
pete wood ·
yep. it's legal. 👍
Joel ·
MickH wrote:Power to weight restrictions??? LOL....a turbo EJ in a buggy is legal.
Remember you're in QLD and we were talking rotaries not EJs
in a beetle at 850kg with a turbo engine the max engine size is 2.1L
so a turbo 12a may just sneak in, i forget the formula for a turbo engine on capacity to weight when it comes to rotaries.
Edit, here ya go straight from VSI 06
The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is the displacement of all rotors x2
so 12a rotary = 2.4L
All vehicles originally having an engine with up
to 4 cylinders or a rotary engine as the largest
optional engine and with a tare mass up to
1100kg
Normally aspirated
In millilitres (cc):
Original tare mass (kg) x 3.0
Supercharged or turbocharged:
In millilitres (cc):
Original tare mass (kg) x 2.5
so 850kg beetle x 2.5 = 2125cc
So no a turbo 12a would not be legal in a bug
turboty ·
Joel wrote:
MickH wrote:Power to weight restrictions??? LOL....a turbo EJ in a buggy is legal.
Remember you're in QLD and we were talking rotaries not EJs
in a beetle at 850kg with a turbo engine the max engine size is 2.1L
so a turbo 12a may just sneak in, i forget the formula for a turbo engine on capacity to weight when it comes to rotaries.
Edit, here ya go straight from VSI 06
The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is the displacement of all rotors x2
so 12a rotary = 2.4L
All vehicles originally having an engine with up
to 4 cylinders or a rotary engine as the largest
optional engine and with a tare mass up to
1100kg
Normally aspirated
In millilitres (cc):
Original tare mass (kg) x 3.0
Supercharged or turbocharged:
In millilitres (cc):
Original tare mass (kg) x 2.5
so 850kg beetle x 2.5 = 2125cc
So no a turbo 12a would not be legal in a bug
You are THE MAN! This is what I wmant to know... cool, so I will look at the ej20t convert then...
Thanks
Jak Rizzo ·
Hey Joel
Doesn't Wayne penrose have a massive type4 with a turbo that's street registered?
& hasn't his son? Just put a turbo on a 2.7l type 4 street registered beetle.?
How does that work?
mactaylor ·
Jak Rizzo wrote:Hey Joel
Doesn't Wayne penrose have a massive type4 with a turbo that's street registered?
& hasn't his son? Just put a turbo on a 2.7l type 4 street registered beetle.?
How does that work?
the certifing engineer doesnt do a displacement test so just goes off the engine number.
Joel ·
Jak Rizzo wrote:Hey Joel
Doesn't Wayne penrose have a massive type4 with a turbo that's street registered?
& hasn't his son? Just put a turbo on a 2.7l type 4 street registered beetle.?
How does that work?
possibly, got no idea what cars he's running at the moment but that peach cabrio with the turbo type 4 is 2L.
As Mac said though it can be any size inside engineers aren't gonna know.
As far as the RTA are concerned every type1 engine i had in my bug was 1584cc 😂
bit harder with the subi which has a giant EJ25 cast on top in plain view.
Pickpocket ·
One of the few things I like about driving in California. Once your car gets to be a certain age, you don't have to get them inspected anymore. You can do whatever you like to them and the DMV could care less.
66deluxe ·
Pickpocket wrote:One of the few things I like about driving in California. Once your car gets to be a certain age, you don't have to get them inspected anymore. You can do whatever you like to them and the DMV could care less.
And in California you have medical marijuana. But then you have the kardashians, lindsay lohan and the like.
bugzla ·
the other thing as well when i got my bug with the 12a reengineered here in qld from nsw the engineer asked me at the time how i wanted it done cause in the rta or qld transport the rotary from mazda the specs are still 1149cc i think from the rx3 so they still go in as that in nsw when mick engineered it first time round it was done as a 2.4lt right on limit for the weight of the car interesting it not what you know but who you know
what weight is a type 3 wagen cause im sure you couldnt shove a 13bt in one but it has been done