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bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber

327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1031744
Great thread Steve
Those Thing rear bends are available separately :-
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C23%2D35181%2D1
They are more costly than a complete beetle system but at least they attempt to have a difference from left to right to encourage movement of gas through the heat riser. You have to wonder if some of the cheap headers with the same casting both sides move anything at all?
The Thing tail pipes could come straight back under the bumper of a CB, not perfect but it could work. No way to get it up above the bumper in that short a distance. I bet if you took that J Bugs box, blocked the rear pipe and took a pipe straight out of the top it would work perfectly.
I think the distance across 13,15 &1600 heads, from exhaust flange to flange, is all the same (but now I’m going to have to go and measure it of course).
Not sure what CB John did, his seems to have pipes curving around like some sort of header. Definitely something different, but still with the ground clearance and out the right hole? He’s good.
No Facebook for me thanks Steve, you keep us posted.
Cheers
Tony
Country Buggy King & Link Pin Overhauls, Type 1 & 2 King Pins, General Machining.
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=74138
My car is KO813

ztnoo Insano Dub Head

730 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#1031745
I bet if you took that J Bugs box, blocked the rear pipe and took a pipe straight out of the top it would work perfectly.
Tony,
My thoughts EXACTLY, but I was waiting for someone else to notice and make comment.

As long as the exhaust port/muffler flange assembly is as close in dimension as possible, and which can be made to work I'm sure with innovation, why not drill/bore a hole in the top or the muffler and weld a sleeve or a pipe stud to the upper side of the muffler, then duplicate a CB type tailpipe???

This setup isn't going to be accomplished for a few hundred dollars, but lacking the dribbling of ideas from those in possession of "The Jig", I'd give it a shot if I were in OZ and wanted a general looking, original concept, through the rear body openings for the CB exhaust system for probably half the price of the custom option.
Just one man's opinion.
Other opinions and commentary are ALWAYS welcome here.

Steve

Fine tuning the proper daily ratio of Maxwell House to Bacardi 151.........

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ztnoo Insano Dub Head

730 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#1031751
Tony,
That cip1 spot is is good one.
I looked a little deeper into all that.
Currently they are having a Thanksgiving day sale on those parts until midnight (California time) Monday, November 28th.
It says Free Shipping during the sale on these items, but my guess is that means only here to US addresses.
I guess it would never hurt to ask if you are an overseas buyer. The worse they could say is NO.

Those parts are available separately: left & right side manifolds with pre-heat, and left and right side mufflers, all made for a '73 Thing.

C23-35181-1 - EXHAUST MANIFOLD - HEAD TO MUFFLER - LEFT SIDE - 73-74 THING
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C23%2D35181%2D1

C23-35182-1 - EXHAUST MANIFOLD - HEAD TO MUFFLER - RIGHT SIDE - 73-74 THING
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C23%2D35182%2D1

C23-35181 - MUFFLER WITH TAIL PIPE - LEFT SIDE - ELIMINATES HEATER BOX - 73-74 THING - (A10)
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C23%2D35181

C23-35182 - MUFFLER WITH TAIL PIPE - RIGHT SIDE - ELIMINATES HEATER BOX - 73-74 THING - (A10)
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C23%2D35182

Sale pricing: 66.49 + 66.49 + 127.49 + 127.49 = $ 387.96 USD (521.930 AUD)
Regular pricing: 69.99 +69.99 + 149.99 + 149.99 = $ 439.96 USD (591.658 AUD) Live mid-market rate 2016-11-25 12:16 UTC

Without shipping costs figured in, it appears to me to be approximately half the costs of the units as being talked about over on the CB Facebook site using the "jig".
Doesn't seem to be a lot of movement on this over there, and if there was, I speculate it would likely take a good bit of time to pull off......months maybe.
I think if I were interested in the cip1 set, I'd inquire about the possibility of getting as assembled exhaust flange to exhaust flange width dimension, get the measurement on a CB engine exhaust port to exhaust port width, and if those two dimensions are close, roll the dice.
Even if it required some modification, at least it looks like it could be done at a considerable savings from the cost of a "jig" fabbed set.

Again, just one man's opinion.

Fine tuning the proper daily ratio of Maxwell House to Bacardi 151.........

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ztnoo Insano Dub Head

730 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#1031753

Fine tuning the proper daily ratio of Maxwell House to Bacardi 151.........

* Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia !

ztnoo Insano Dub Head

730 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#1031780

Fine tuning the proper daily ratio of Maxwell House to Bacardi 151.........

* Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia !

bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber

327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1031844
Hi Steve
I got my tape out and checked the dimensions across the exhaust port flanges, front to rear, of a 1300 F125 engine and a twin port 1600 engine, and they are in fact the same. So those Thing exhausts will bolt onto the engine. Of course I can’t check, but there’s an acre of room under a CB so I would say they will fit under the car too.
As for that Victorian one, if I had my TIG out and all the stainless on the bench, I wouldn’t put the boxes down there under the heads. He must have had his own reasons for doing that. Perhaps the plan is to hack the body up and “slam” it? That would be a shame.
Cheers
Tony
Country Buggy King & Link Pin Overhauls, Type 1 & 2 King Pins, General Machining.
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=74138
My car is KO813

cb john Wolfsburg Wizard

470 posts · joined Jun 2007 ·

#1031845
I see too much agonising about mufflers....I can provide measurements of the system...To copy it to original configuration is not simple but possible, if the cost is not taken into consideration...

ztnoo Insano Dub Head

730 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#1031920
John,
I'm sure whatever you, or anyone else, can offer in the way of accurate specifications would be greatly appreciated by those seeking real information about recreating a CB OEM style exhaust system.

It appears the gents in charge Bill's Moore's files aren't particularly interesting in releasing this information, at least it seems that way from other sites I follow. I guess I don't understand that mindset, because that wasn't the way Bill operated and it certainly wasn't his mind set. Bill was willing to share information with anyone and everyone.

Steve

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CBKO294 Commited Dubber

63 posts · joined Dec 2014 ·

#1032121
Yes I would really appreciate any specs / numbers / dimensions on the exhaust.

Thanks to everyone that has posted information on this topic.

steveo169 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Nov 2008 ·

#1036811
Hi everyone
Can any, or all, of you send me some details there was lots o chatter and some photos and concepts tossed about but keen on drawings and hand measurements to start with.

I'm ready to get an exhaust so I need details please.

Getting things together so need to try and get this puppy running!
Cheers
Steveo