twoguns simply aircooled
4,275 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·
maybe i shouldve use this instead... you would thieve your way into a vw event! get the point now.
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frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
So your telling me you've never done anything like this ever?
twoguns simply aircooled
4,275 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·
why is it so hard to believe. i respect my fellow man. its called karma. maybe if your up the coast there long enough it might rub off on you a little.:jesus
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frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
as i said these days no i wouldnt go jumping fences etc, i'm too old for that shit. But back in the day i am guilty of jumping into the boot of a car a number of times to see a drive in movie, or even jumping fence into easter show .. or pools or whatever.. at least i'm not going to lie.
frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
so i listen to an mp3 and something happens to me? fuck i have listened to about 10000000 so i must have something pretty bad lurking around the corner.
frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
your a very special guy wes, i'm being honest.. if you've never done any of this then respect.
twoguns simply aircooled
4,275 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·
but hey dont try and pass it off as ok or defend it either...
im off to bed to 'theive' some action from the lil lady... :P
im off to bed to 'theive' some action from the lil lady... :P
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frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
ewww too much info
frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
defend what? freedom?
frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
ok i'll shutup now
SteveMk2 Officially Full-On Dubber
293 posts · joined Nov 2003 ·
I cant believe I left out MP3's in my rant. If you download songs onto an MP3, that is not taking a song for a "test drive"
'nuff said. Thats the state of play in the world we live in. Technology is no a musicians best friend.
'nuff said. Thats the state of play in the world we live in. Technology is no a musicians best friend.
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Starbug rustbag
2,408 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·
why do i have alot of mp3s?
when you are a fan of the psychedelic trance genre and the albums you really want are pressed in 1996 or earlier, they pressed 500 copies and arent pressing them ever again, you are in a bit of trouble.
i trawl ebay and discogs.com to find these albums and sometimes i manage to find them, but i end up paying through the roof. i dont mind. i respect the artists and love their music, but until i can find their album to buy, im keeping a copy on my hard drive. i recently paid 30 euro + postage for 2 songs that i didnt have, but had on mp3. so the mp3s are deleted now.
yes ive got hundreds of mp3s on my computer of which i dont own the album, chances are i will never own the album. if i am lucky enough to find a copy on the internet or they do a limited edition repress, then i'll jump at the chance to buy it. otherwise, i support the artist by travelling 2000+ kms to see them at a festival. i think thats fair enough.
i listen to internet radio, philosomatika in particular, and i make a donation as often as i can so the guy running it can keep his server going and provide me and the rest of the world with trippy music.
koolkarmakombi listens to alot of dj sets, and so do i. simon posford is not going to make a cd of his sets, so i have to download them. hes made the money from the people that attended the gig, so i guess hes happy enough. no-one is going to try and copy his music (because they wouldnt have the talent to even get close) so no worries there.
fair enough i have mp3s and that is a form of stealing, but as i cannot get the albums that these songs belong to, i try to support the artist in any other way that i can, and when i find the songs for sale, then i buy them. Hopefully karma finds me a decent enough person even if the music isnt paid for.
my $0.02
when you are a fan of the psychedelic trance genre and the albums you really want are pressed in 1996 or earlier, they pressed 500 copies and arent pressing them ever again, you are in a bit of trouble.
i trawl ebay and discogs.com to find these albums and sometimes i manage to find them, but i end up paying through the roof. i dont mind. i respect the artists and love their music, but until i can find their album to buy, im keeping a copy on my hard drive. i recently paid 30 euro + postage for 2 songs that i didnt have, but had on mp3. so the mp3s are deleted now.
yes ive got hundreds of mp3s on my computer of which i dont own the album, chances are i will never own the album. if i am lucky enough to find a copy on the internet or they do a limited edition repress, then i'll jump at the chance to buy it. otherwise, i support the artist by travelling 2000+ kms to see them at a festival. i think thats fair enough.
i listen to internet radio, philosomatika in particular, and i make a donation as often as i can so the guy running it can keep his server going and provide me and the rest of the world with trippy music.
koolkarmakombi listens to alot of dj sets, and so do i. simon posford is not going to make a cd of his sets, so i have to download them. hes made the money from the people that attended the gig, so i guess hes happy enough. no-one is going to try and copy his music (because they wouldnt have the talent to even get close) so no worries there.
fair enough i have mp3s and that is a form of stealing, but as i cannot get the albums that these songs belong to, i try to support the artist in any other way that i can, and when i find the songs for sale, then i buy them. Hopefully karma finds me a decent enough person even if the music isnt paid for.
my $0.02
in the beginning, the universe was created.
this made alot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move.
this made alot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move.
MikeM Buggy Head
1,429 posts · joined Aug 2003 ·
Hmm, if we could just come up with a way to download hubcaps for free from the internet.twoguns wrote:you surprise me frenzix... m aybe if you could steal a vw hubcap, to replace your lost one, you would too!? or is there a level to dishonesty and deceit?
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SteveMk2 Officially Full-On Dubber
293 posts · joined Nov 2003 ·
If that is your final word, I have wasted my breath, and you have landed yourself in it. If you think it is the record company you are hurting, WRONG!!!!! The company gets paid. Its the musicians who miss out. You say you support the music industry, get a life and pay for your music. Fortunately it doesnt seem you have the smarts to comprehend jazz, so my mates arent victims of your "faceless" crime. I apologise for being harsh, but in the face of reason and commonsense you are admitting complacency in your attitude towards the people you claim to be supporting. Shame. Hope it comes back to bite you.bertie_beetle wrote:Can I just apologise for starting this topic. I apologise to Twoguns for offending his belief in honesty for the music industry, I understand your viewpoint and believe it to be very noble. I do not however, appreciate my opinions being criticised without real reason or purpose. I listen to downloaded music and I swap burnt CDs with my friends, I am not however a bad person. Bad people are those who defraud, deal drugs, drink drive, rape, murder, and yes, steal. If for this reason I am considered to be a bad person, then so be it, but I am "in it for the music" and will continue to listen to all music, wether it be genuine or pirated.
Regards,
Jay
This topic should prolly not have been broached on this forum.
[Edited on 1-12-2004 by SteveMk2]
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~air fooled~ two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl
1,429 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·
hmmmm, i love arguments! always so interesting! before i join in does anyone have an idea of who makes what percentages out of album sales?
ie- musician, the label, music retailer. and any other middle man i missed?
hopefully i can be a bit more informed before i join the fray! my moral code means i dont steal but we all have our price hey!?
i guess when it comes to the big players i'm more inclined to say 'fuck em!' but i wouldnt want to burn the little guys.....
ie- musician, the label, music retailer. and any other middle man i missed?
hopefully i can be a bit more informed before i join the fray! my moral code means i dont steal but we all have our price hey!?
i guess when it comes to the big players i'm more inclined to say 'fuck em!' but i wouldnt want to burn the little guys.....
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..
~air fooled~ two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl
1,429 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·
dude, your entitled to your opinion, even if its right or wrong in the eyes of frenz, steve, two guns... and so on. so dont care about pissing people off, just try to be open minded to why others may have differing opinions and see where they are coming from.
steve says its wrong cos it essentially rips him off and makes him poor
twoguns says theft is theft, and dont be hypocritical
frenz says, (i think..) hes more robin hood.. rob from the rich not the poor..
man just cop the crap and learn a lesson and get on with life, i spose they just call it growing...
steve says its wrong cos it essentially rips him off and makes him poor
twoguns says theft is theft, and dont be hypocritical
frenz says, (i think..) hes more robin hood.. rob from the rich not the poor..
man just cop the crap and learn a lesson and get on with life, i spose they just call it growing...
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..
frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
:beer
SteveMk2 Officially Full-On Dubber
293 posts · joined Nov 2003 ·
I am sure thats what people said about killing Jews in concentration camps during WW2. Didnt make it OK then, doesnt make it OK now.Wether you agree with it or not, piracy is rampant.
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SteveMk2 Officially Full-On Dubber
293 posts · joined Nov 2003 ·
Out of all the people profitting from album sales, the musician makes the least money. And we are making a small percentage. Stupid thing is, its people like you that cause the price of CD's to go higher and higher, causing the cycle to continue. Regardless of how you fail to justify it, you are ripping off the very people you claim to be a fan of. End of story. Are you a tool? No. I dont think so. From the seems, just young. Did my arguement have anything to do with taste? Not really, just an observation that my mates wouldnt be directly suffering from your stealing. I guess I was apologising for feeling so strongly that I felt I had to shoot you down because of your ignorance on this topic. I am sure you can see the sense being spoken, even if your pride wont allow you to admit it on the forum. Its stealing plain and simple, and the victims are the very people you are fans of. think about it. Sample, but dont own.
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squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe
4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·
From today's SMH.
Squiz....
File-sharing lawful, court hears
By Kirsty Needham, Consumer Reporter
December 1, 2004
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Australians make up less than 2 per cent of Kazaa users, with most living in the US, where the internet file-swapping service has been deemed lawful, the Federal Court has heard.
"The distribution is not unlawful or illegal in any way in the place where it is occurring," said Tony Meagher, SC, defending Sharman Networks and Altnet from accusations of piracy. The chief executives of the two companies, Nikki Hemming and Kevin Bermeister, watched in a packed courtroom.
Sharman and Altnet operate from Cremorne and Surry Hills, although they are registered in Vanuatu and the United States respectively. Worldwide, 100 million people are believed to use Kazaa software.
Six Australian record companies, and another 24 international record labels and artists, claim Kazaa infringes Australian copyright law by allowing internet users to swap illegal copies of songs. They want it shut down.
Mr Meagher said the central issue was whether Sharman and Altnet authorised the illegal use of Kazaa software by Australians.
The same principle had been dealt with in the 1980s, in cases involving double-sided tape deck and video cassette recorders made by Amstrad and Betamax in Britain and the US, he said.
Mr Meagher said it was plain that the double-sided tape deck was used to make infringing copies of songs and was even advertised for this purpose by Amstrad. But the House of Lords had upheld that there was no authorisation of this behaviour by the company because the product also had a lawful use.
Mr Meagher said the Kazaa software had lawful use, and Sharman and Altnet could not control the behaviour of users.
However, Tony Bannon, QC, representing the record companies, had earlier said that Kazaa's published "no-tolerance policy" on child pornography, including its threat to disconnect and bar users from the system, showed Sharman could exercise some control.
Mr Meagher differentiated between the free and paid version of Kazaa, known as Kazaa Plus. Consumers who pay for Kazaa Plus do not get four of the software components.
"I understand that if you pay more you should get more," said Justice Wilcox.
Mr Meagher replied: "If you pay you don't get the privilege of being bombarded with advertisements."
The missing software was used to deliver ads, which is how the companies otherwise earned revenue, he said.
Squiz....
File-sharing lawful, court hears
By Kirsty Needham, Consumer Reporter
December 1, 2004
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Australians make up less than 2 per cent of Kazaa users, with most living in the US, where the internet file-swapping service has been deemed lawful, the Federal Court has heard.
"The distribution is not unlawful or illegal in any way in the place where it is occurring," said Tony Meagher, SC, defending Sharman Networks and Altnet from accusations of piracy. The chief executives of the two companies, Nikki Hemming and Kevin Bermeister, watched in a packed courtroom.
Sharman and Altnet operate from Cremorne and Surry Hills, although they are registered in Vanuatu and the United States respectively. Worldwide, 100 million people are believed to use Kazaa software.
Six Australian record companies, and another 24 international record labels and artists, claim Kazaa infringes Australian copyright law by allowing internet users to swap illegal copies of songs. They want it shut down.
Mr Meagher said the central issue was whether Sharman and Altnet authorised the illegal use of Kazaa software by Australians.
The same principle had been dealt with in the 1980s, in cases involving double-sided tape deck and video cassette recorders made by Amstrad and Betamax in Britain and the US, he said.
Mr Meagher said it was plain that the double-sided tape deck was used to make infringing copies of songs and was even advertised for this purpose by Amstrad. But the House of Lords had upheld that there was no authorisation of this behaviour by the company because the product also had a lawful use.
Mr Meagher said the Kazaa software had lawful use, and Sharman and Altnet could not control the behaviour of users.
However, Tony Bannon, QC, representing the record companies, had earlier said that Kazaa's published "no-tolerance policy" on child pornography, including its threat to disconnect and bar users from the system, showed Sharman could exercise some control.
Mr Meagher differentiated between the free and paid version of Kazaa, known as Kazaa Plus. Consumers who pay for Kazaa Plus do not get four of the software components.
"I understand that if you pay more you should get more," said Justice Wilcox.
Mr Meagher replied: "If you pay you don't get the privilege of being bombarded with advertisements."
The missing software was used to deliver ads, which is how the companies otherwise earned revenue, he said.
SteveMk2 Officially Full-On Dubber
293 posts · joined Nov 2003 ·
Interesting. I never thought of taping something off the radio as similar to downloading. I guess where it gets dodgy is taping a whole album. I dont think this sort of technology is going to help artists at all, and I think the art will suffer. It would be good if companies like kazaar was user pay, with royalties going to artists. That aint going to happen, though.... makes me sad.
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fetid_swamp Seriously Crusin Dubber
174 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
i've bought LPs
i've bought cassetttes
i've bought CDs
i can now download an inferior but still usuable version and i do.
on another aspect.
people copy my work/ use it at a template. i dont have the time or inclination to chase them up and it wouldnt be worth my while. i focus instead on my work, making it better/more individual/specific. its not music, but its still emminantly copyable.
its an evolution thing. musicians could look at this as the way get rid of the big mddleman & allow you to focus on the bit you produce that cant be digitised and get closer to fans.
i dunno. i presume the aveage musician is as able to proctect copyright as much as the average dude. not.
get on with it. look at the opportunities of the new meduim rather than lamenting that whaling is no longer accepted by the masses...
:duh
i've bought cassetttes
i've bought CDs
i can now download an inferior but still usuable version and i do.
on another aspect.
people copy my work/ use it at a template. i dont have the time or inclination to chase them up and it wouldnt be worth my while. i focus instead on my work, making it better/more individual/specific. its not music, but its still emminantly copyable.
its an evolution thing. musicians could look at this as the way get rid of the big mddleman & allow you to focus on the bit you produce that cant be digitised and get closer to fans.
i dunno. i presume the aveage musician is as able to proctect copyright as much as the average dude. not.
get on with it. look at the opportunities of the new meduim rather than lamenting that whaling is no longer accepted by the masses...
:duh
SteveMk2 Officially Full-On Dubber
293 posts · joined Nov 2003 ·
OK, so when people use your work, does that lose you money?
While the record companies are greedy, musicians need them to record their albums, cos we dont have a few hundred grand worth of equip in our houses, nor do we have an experienced sound tech to record us. The only advantage of technology is that it has made recording equipment far more accessable to the average musician. This is not an instant ticket to produce hit recordings. The middleman is still necessary to produce a marketable product. Then having the marketing clout to get the product out there? The middleman is a necessary evil. I think most musicians are open minded enough to use the tech, but that doesnt mean people should get something for nothing.
This whole conversation has been about downloading and sharing albums produced by musicians under the false claim that it is being sampled so that if a person likes it they may just buy the album. Try using that philosophy with any other product.
Like I stated in my very open minded last post, if it were a user pay system, where royalties go where they belong, I reckon it would be great, and the new tech would be the new way to buy music. Atm, there is nothing in place to protect the musician, the creator of the product, and the person who has the fans loving their stuff, but wanting it for nothing.
While the record companies are greedy, musicians need them to record their albums, cos we dont have a few hundred grand worth of equip in our houses, nor do we have an experienced sound tech to record us. The only advantage of technology is that it has made recording equipment far more accessable to the average musician. This is not an instant ticket to produce hit recordings. The middleman is still necessary to produce a marketable product. Then having the marketing clout to get the product out there? The middleman is a necessary evil. I think most musicians are open minded enough to use the tech, but that doesnt mean people should get something for nothing.
This whole conversation has been about downloading and sharing albums produced by musicians under the false claim that it is being sampled so that if a person likes it they may just buy the album. Try using that philosophy with any other product.
Like I stated in my very open minded last post, if it were a user pay system, where royalties go where they belong, I reckon it would be great, and the new tech would be the new way to buy music. Atm, there is nothing in place to protect the musician, the creator of the product, and the person who has the fans loving their stuff, but wanting it for nothing.
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Oasis Going alone...
1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·
~air fooled~ wrote:hmmmm, i love arguments! always so interesting! before i join in does anyone have an idea of who makes what percentages out of album sales?
ie- musician, the label, music retailer. and any other middle man i missed?
hopefully i can be a bit more informed before i join the fray! my moral code means i dont steal but we all have our price hey!?
i guess when it comes to the big players i'm more inclined to say 'fuck em!' but i wouldnt want to burn the little guys.....
From the retail cost of a CD ($30), 6.25% goes towards royalties to the composers of the songs when the CD gets manufactured, 4% goes to the artist, 3-5% is the manufacturing cost, 20% goes to the retailer, 66% goes to the record company. These figures are approximate and vary enormously.
I, like Steve, make a living having my songs recorded by people, and playing on peoples CDs. That's my job. Every time you burn a CD and don't buy it you are ripping me off personally. You (bertie) probably haven't met someone that you are stealing off till now, and it gives me the shits that you are so blase about it as though you have a right to part of my wage. I am given burnt CDs occasionally, so I listen to them once and throw it away. If I like it I'll buy it. If I don't, I won't keep it or even give it to someone else. I lend and swap CDs often, and buy them if I like them. I have a couple of thousand CDs because of that. I've had dumb dickheads come up to me and say, "I burnt one of your albums. It sounds great..." I then ask them for my money, and never get it. I have record companies release CDs with a song of mine on it and they don't register it with AMCOS (a copyright organisation). I rang AMCOS up and told them, and got a cheque a week later for $980. they chased the record company. How am I supposed to make a living when I have to sit at a desk and try and police everything I do?? And explain this to everyone I talk to? This topic is as valid as any topic in the general chit chat section, just not as comfortable.
I don't think any of you intentionally mean ill of people like me, but don't put your head in the sand and pretend I don't exist and pretend it's OK because you think it doesn't hurt anyone. Also don't pretend it's not stealing. If you wrote the music then it's yours, if you didn't then BUY IT like everyone else has to. If you can't afford it then borrow it till you can, or wait till you can afford it. If it's out of print then copy it, as it can't be bought anymore anywhere, and the artist gets nothing from second hand sales anyway. If you already bought it (on vinyl, cassette etc..) then make a second copy for your own use. Piece of piss. If you listen to an MP3 on the net and you like it, then buy it. Try before you buy is fair in any purchase of any product. Don't try, and then steal. you wouldn't do it with a shirt, a car, a house etc... I personally don't have a problem with making MP3 copies of songs to put on an ipod, IF you own the CD that the songs are on. If someone puts one of my albums on their ipod when they own the CD I think that's great. it makes it easier for them to listen to.
My wife spent over $40,000 of her own money doing her last CD. If all the people who have it paid for it legally then it would be paid off by now and we would have been able to pay for another CD. Simple as that.
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
SteveMk2 Officially Full-On Dubber
293 posts · joined Nov 2003 ·
Hey Oasis, I was waiting for you to put your thoughts in on this one! Succinctly put. You seriously have people come up and say they have burnt your CD's? Man, thats dumb!
When you next in Canberra? I will u2u my number. Have to catch up.
When you next in Canberra? I will u2u my number. Have to catch up.
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Oasis Going alone...
1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·
A song I recorded in 1993 was sampled and put on a lounge CD as part of a song. I just got paid a royalty for it, as the guy who did it is a friend of mine and listed me as a composer. I generally don't worry about it, but if you made a living from it, it would certainly change all the other shit you have to do to make enough money to survive.fetid_swamp wrote:people copy my work/ use it at a template. i dont have the time or inclination to chase them up and it wouldnt be worth my while. i focus instead on my work, making it better/more individual/specific. its not music, but its still emminantly copyable.
:duh
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
Oasis Going alone...
1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·
Hi Steve, I'll let you know when I'm in Canberra next. I'm doing Tilly's early next year, no set date yet.. Yeah, this other twit told me he wanted to buy one copy and burn it so he could give a copy to his mate who was standing next to him, and he wanted a discount!! Good to see a bit of feisty conversation here anyway...
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
MikeM Buggy Head
1,429 posts · joined Aug 2003 ·
Oasis,
who are you, or who do you publish as? Which band are you a part of? Next time I'm at a CD shop I want to listen to your CD.
who are you, or who do you publish as? Which band are you a part of? Next time I'm at a CD shop I want to listen to your CD.
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Freddie Fender Officially Full-On Dubber
328 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·
To add to the this debate, I too also earn my living from playing on Cd's, touring and playing music. It is a rather unfortunate reality that most of the songs we record get ripped off, used by others for there own pleasure and or for personal gain. This is hard to accpet in one way but we're forced to accept it as there is very little we can actually do to get anythng back. I am personally owed royalty cheques from all over the place, you hardly ever see them. The big record companies have ways of ripping you off that you have never even thought of.
It is nice to see your name on the lists of performers, to see yourself on TV or hear your music played on radio but we only get a pittance for this if we're lucky. Most of the time unless we police it oursleves, we get nothing. The bigger the company the more you get ripped off. I can think of many situations were I have been burnt with big companies, smart operators and agents etc... You wonder why musicians become cynical and self destructive........imagine working for years to be great at something, pouring your heart and sould into a project to finally get it released only to discover that you will earn 2% of the total CD revenue divided amongst the band members. (one occasion of many)..
At the end of the day, a musicians wage hasn't gone up in 20 years. The gigs have become fewer, punters dont go out to listen to live music much any more, the cost of living has increased, the cost of the tools we need to earn an existence have increased, agents take longer to pay for a gig. When you do get a gig, some smart alec from the audience comes up and trys to grab your instrument, they try to get up on stage in front of their mates and sing (similar to the noise usually of tethered goat or the mating call of the water Buffalo). It gets worse at this time of year when the Christmas parties start.
Musicians are people who load $20K worth of gear into a cheap car to go and earn $50 to $100 usually (sometimes more) so that they can feed the family. The reality of even playing with famous bands, being well known in your profession is that you usually have to go out and do a bad paying gig just so that you can get some money to buy groceries. Any way, you cant play the Blues unless you ahve lived the Blues.......it shows in the first couple of notes that you play....
Enjoy your burnt CD's.....I hope we sound good......
Don't feel so bad, the big companies have been doing it to us for years! 🙁
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by Freddie Fender]
It is nice to see your name on the lists of performers, to see yourself on TV or hear your music played on radio but we only get a pittance for this if we're lucky. Most of the time unless we police it oursleves, we get nothing. The bigger the company the more you get ripped off. I can think of many situations were I have been burnt with big companies, smart operators and agents etc... You wonder why musicians become cynical and self destructive........imagine working for years to be great at something, pouring your heart and sould into a project to finally get it released only to discover that you will earn 2% of the total CD revenue divided amongst the band members. (one occasion of many)..
At the end of the day, a musicians wage hasn't gone up in 20 years. The gigs have become fewer, punters dont go out to listen to live music much any more, the cost of living has increased, the cost of the tools we need to earn an existence have increased, agents take longer to pay for a gig. When you do get a gig, some smart alec from the audience comes up and trys to grab your instrument, they try to get up on stage in front of their mates and sing (similar to the noise usually of tethered goat or the mating call of the water Buffalo). It gets worse at this time of year when the Christmas parties start.
Musicians are people who load $20K worth of gear into a cheap car to go and earn $50 to $100 usually (sometimes more) so that they can feed the family. The reality of even playing with famous bands, being well known in your profession is that you usually have to go out and do a bad paying gig just so that you can get some money to buy groceries. Any way, you cant play the Blues unless you ahve lived the Blues.......it shows in the first couple of notes that you play....
Enjoy your burnt CD's.....I hope we sound good......
Don't feel so bad, the big companies have been doing it to us for years! 🙁
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by Freddie Fender]
frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
well back in the day everyone was taping shit from the radio/LP or even from their freinds... i don't know how this is any different??