Muso fans

Cam · 2004-11-30T06:20:01+00:00

I've got about the same, all in the heavy/darker genres. However I bought all mine so I ain't letting NO ONE steal them! YOu wouldn't alk into a CD store and stick an album under your jacket, so why would you download one?:cussing

SteveMk2 Officially Full-On Dubber

293 posts · joined Nov 2003 · 2 Dec 2004, 8:42 pm

#273931

It is different, cos the product is so much more accessable through the internet. Before it was one person giving a copy or two to friends, now its one sob making it readily available for the world.

freddie Fender, cheers, bud. I am feeling that christmas function pain real good right now. I love "can you play something we can dance to?" when you are hired as a jazz band. Have you ever had a hen sing into a penis shaped mike to Blame it on the boogie? Ooh, yeah. Overall, I love being a musician!!! I just live in the wrong city.

Steve. Classic 85 Mk2 2dr GTI 8v Optioned sunroof and 15"BBS RS alloys. Koni yellow and H&R, Balanced bottom end, flowed top end, Neuspeed 268 cam.

Freddie Fender Officially Full-On Dubber

328 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 3 Dec 2004, 5:40 am

#274021

I was in Canberra on Sunday evening playing a Festival, bloody hot westerly wind and facing into the sun. A very interesting day. Local Sydney gigs all weekend here, parties, santa gigs, big bands, high powered Jazz trios. Not a bad weekend at all.

Dont get too hassled about the situation with the big companies, just ralise that they are out there to exploit everyone for their own gain. The purchaser, the musician and all the middle men too.

twoguns simply aircooled

4,275 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 3 Dec 2004, 7:51 am

#274042

bertie_beetle wrote:Is reading a book that you have not paid for stealing?

dont know where you are coming from...:duh
reading a book is like listening to music, think about photocopying and then youre close.

Simply Cruzin'...

frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 · 3 Dec 2004, 10:36 am

#274092

some people use mp3 just the same as taping songs etc... i have a mp3 stereo in my car and wouldnt have anything else, not only do i download music from the net, but rip from my cd's etc to mp3. I love MP3, it's my friend

www.nkcrew.com.au

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 3 Dec 2004, 11:24 am

#274110

mmm...I have worked as proffesional muso. I am also about to start recording an album. Let's just say I went big time and sold a whole lot. Don't you think I deserve every cent I earn for taking the time and money to write the songs, then record them, then go to the trouble of trying to get them heard by people?

The answer is yes!

I would be more than slightly upset if my album sales where half what they should be because some selfish git can't be bothered buying my album instead of buying another case of beer.
:cussing

That's right, they are the same price.

Show a bit of freakin respect Bertie!

All the musos I know are poor people who struggle to pay their bills and work their butts off just to get heard. Being a muso isn't the road to being rich. Even if you have one or two successful albums you probably only make enough money to be as well off as someone with a good job in middle management.

Would you rip a mechanic off? I don't think so.

THEN DON'T DO IT TO A MUSO EITHER! :cussing

and people wonder why Aussie bands struggle, open your eyes man!

[Edited on 3-12-2004 by pete wood]

"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

Oasis Going alone...

1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 3 Dec 2004, 2:00 pm

#274157

Go Pete... When someone says "play something we can dance to", I always reply, "Dance something we can play to.." OR I play a little funky pattern and ask them to clap along. When they can't keep time to save themselves I say to them, "You see, there's your problem right there.."

I agree with a lot of what you say Bertie, and it is obviously better to own an actual CD of something. You should get a physical product if you're going to pay for it. I have to pay to make CDs myself, But the recording of the music can cost me $40,000 and up, and the printing of the cover can cost 5c a disc. Selling the CD is how I get the $40,000 back to do another disc. If 1300 people download the music instead of paying $30 for it then I'm short about $40,000.

Here's an interesting way for you musicians to sell and market your music, bypassing record companies: http://www.artistshare.com/
It helps you pay for the manufacture and marketing, and helps you sell it.

"Tell him 'We've already got one'"

57kombi Hannover Elder

2,544 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 3 Dec 2004, 4:24 pm

#274199

All I will say is 'Well said OASIS"

Cheers
Dave

andrewh Officially Full-On Dubber

284 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 3 Dec 2004, 4:30 pm

#274203

You mean freeware. Shareware programs are ones where you are given a limited (in features, time or both) trial of software. For example Doom shareware is the entire first episode but not the second two.

The big difference between freeware games and music is that after a certain time hardly anyone is going to be interested in that game. If the publisher releases it as freeware then they lose hardly any money assuming it's still available for sale or none at all if it's long since gone out of production, but gain lots of goodwill so you'll go buy their latest game. With GTA it's possibly even more effective since they're still making GTA games.

Now GTA isn't that old but it's released as freeware. Two of my favourite bands started out over 20 years ago. More than long ago that if they were writing games instead of music nobody would still be buying them. As it is their albums are still in production and since both are putting out music, new fans will likely be buying these albums to experience their range of music. Time is much kinder to music than it is to games, so it seems unlikely that a record company would want to do that, especially to big bands because they're still making and sellingi the CDs.

Cam Custom Title Time!

1,535 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 3 Dec 2004, 4:38 pm

#274212

The guys from slipknot are awesome guys who've worked insanely hard to get where they are today. But thats beside the point.
Someone is providing a product, therefore if you want to use it, BUY IT!!!
people spend $30 on a t-shirt that they're not going to wear in a couple of months so I don't see the difference. And I don't see what an artist's income has to do with wether or not you can justify stealing their product. If someone supplies something you pay for it, despite who much money they have, if you take it to keep without paying for your right to keep it then you're stealing! And infact if you want to get tall poppy about it all then you should take into account how phat ISP's and computer manufacturers have been getting off the popularity of multimedia theft.

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 3 Dec 2004, 4:47 pm

#274216

bertie_beetle wrote:I copy albums by big bands, like the Hives or Slipknot, bands who are living it up in their mansions with their supermodel girlfriends. Now stealing from them is still stealing, but frankly, i don't care. They are still making money, their respective record companies are making more money than all of us combined could ever imagine, therefore, i will listen to their music and not pay for it.

That is the point really. You don't care if you are stealing. Whether you steal from slipknot or the Hives or even Kylie Minogue makes no difference. It is still wrong.

See it works like this, the big bands pick up the little bands.

The successful bands often are the guys who form the new independant record companies.

When you rip these guys off, you rip off everyone else too. The money you would have paid them might well have been used to finance a great young band's record contract or the next big album you just take for granted.

I have been shafted in the industry myself, I know there are selfish people there too, but stealing hurts more than just one person.

but I can see I am flogging a dead horse here, you don't get it. 🙁

"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

robnjo Veteran Volks Folk

2,082 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 3 Dec 2004, 7:14 pm

#274300

there are some awesome points here but some just don't get it:duh

" big bands, like the Hives or Slipknot, bands who are living it up in their mansions with their supermodel girlfriends."
......now this is a good one,maybe you could eMail them to see if they could send you some money,shit cash is just everywhere at their joints.😀

at the end of the day its your life so do what ya gotta do.

SteveMk2 Officially Full-On Dubber

293 posts · joined Nov 2003 · 5 Dec 2004, 10:09 pm

#275174

bertie_beetle wrote:Dear Pete Wood,

Am i ripping off small time struggling artists like yourself? NO. so don't accuse me of doing something that i ain't.

1. How do you know? Do you do their finances?

2. Thats like saying "Am I killing anyone that you know? No, I am killing people you dont know, so its OK" Of course this point is made to highlight the flaw in logic, not likening pirating to murder.

3. Just dont do it!!! Simple. It is stealing, and it has an effect on the music industry on a larger scale. As I mentioned before, why do CD's still cost $30? Partly because people like you wont pay for the item. Indirectly, you are responsible for prices being high.

Steve. Classic 85 Mk2 2dr GTI 8v Optioned sunroof and 15"BBS RS alloys. Koni yellow and H&R, Balanced bottom end, flowed top end, Neuspeed 268 cam.