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| posted on February 20th, 2013 at 07:31 PM |
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WHAT IS NEEDED FOR EJ20T CONVERT
[size=4]Hi Guys...
looking at doing an ej20t transplant into my 70's 1500 beetle.
can anyone tell me exactly what i need. ie can i fit the motor to the stock gearbox? what wiring do i need? what instrument cluster parts do i need?
any help would be great
thanks
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| posted on February 20th, 2013 at 08:13 PM |
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Sorry - but you haven't even tried to look. have you
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| posted on February 20th, 2013 at 08:15 PM |
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Best research as much as you can and then come back with specific questions.
Read Steve's and Joel's conversion threads, those questions will have been answered already in there and many other threads.
Do a quick search!
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| posted on February 20th, 2013 at 08:16 PM |
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You will need an ej20t conversion kit!!!!!!!
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| posted on February 20th, 2013 at 08:18 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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You will need an ej20t conversion kit!!!!!!!
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lol
just because its a kit car... doesnt mean its not a vw!
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| posted on February 20th, 2013 at 08:19 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by SebastienPeek
Best research as much as you can and then come back with specific questions.
Read Steve's and Joel's conversion threads, those questions will have been answered already in there and many other threads.
Do a quick search!
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i have had a look, but its hard to get a list over the 10-15 odd pages.. just want a check list of things i need
just because its a kit car... doesnt mean its not a vw!
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| posted on February 20th, 2013 at 08:36 PM |
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Hi
If your car is a swinger you cant move the trans forward.
If your a good scrounger you can find a lot of stuff cheap and if you are sensible you can get away for a while with a stock trans. Im not sensible so
I fitted a very expensive gearbox.
I may miss a few things, raditor, fan and cooling pipe, lots of hose clamps, adaptor and clutch, upgraded brakes, exhaust & engneers report. Talk
to an engineer 1st.
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| posted on February 20th, 2013 at 08:59 PM |
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There is no specific list. Read other posts and research and think about what you want to achieve. There is a hundred ways to make a chocolate cake,
and a hundred ways to put a Subaru engine in a Volkswagen. The question is now posed to you. What exactly do you want? Price, ability, tools, engine
size, power output, economy, wiring, reliability, radiator position, gearbox ratios, engineers report and legality? There is no 'best' . What do you
want?
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| posted on February 21st, 2013 at 07:53 AM |
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I love how people who have never done a conversion are in the "Conversion" section of the forum giving advice. Brilliant.
The internet is awesome!
Heres some links to mine, hope it helps.
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=72207
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=80772
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=87940
http://www.superbeetlesonly.com/forum/index.php?&autocom=gallery&cmd=...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnEJiY3yEWk&list=UU3LLZ1nQv_16BIUEK9SMvXw&...
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| posted on February 21st, 2013 at 09:08 AM |
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Thanks jak I, ll have a look
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| posted on February 21st, 2013 at 10:00 AM |
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I have seen this car on youtube... beast ...
I have a swing? Will this make things hard? I have also been looking at a 12a or 13b as they are alot smaller. Any opinions?
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| posted on February 21st, 2013 at 11:57 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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I love how people who have never done a conversion are in the "Conversion" section of the forum giving advice. Brilliant.
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Not sure what your point is Jak, but mine was there is a heap of info out there for the taking.
It isn't that hard to find
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| posted on February 21st, 2013 at 11:57 AM |
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Mine is a very very basic conversion compared to others, but it has been going now for over 8 years.
As Steve mention above, a conversion in swing axle will most likely mean that the quad cam covesr will petrude from the body as you can't move a
swing axle transmission forward like you can with an IRS version. A Superbug is an ideal candidate although they are not to everyone's taste's.
Superbugs also have the benifit of alot of space for that dirty word, Radiator, up the front.
I have no opinion on Rotary engines as I have never owned one
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| posted on February 21st, 2013 at 03:25 PM |
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posted by Jak Rizzo
I love how people who have never done a conversion are in the "Conversion" section of the forum giving advice. Brilliant.
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Not sure what your point is Jak, but mine was there is a heap of info out there for the taking.
It isn't that hard to find
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so why didn't you say that? or maybe give Tyler some links if it's so easy?
The search engine on this forum is very frustrating, at best.
I wish 8 years ago I could have just asked & someone give me some links to read up on.
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| posted on February 21st, 2013 at 04:37 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Jak Rizzo
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posted by Jak Rizzo
I love how people who have never done a conversion are in the "Conversion" section of the forum giving advice. Brilliant.
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Not sure what your point is Jak, but mine was there is a heap of info out there for the taking.
It isn't that hard to find
Barry
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so why didn't you say that? or maybe give Tyler some links if it's so easy?
The search engine on this forum is very frustrating, at best.
I wish 8 years ago I could have just asked & someone give me some links to read up on.
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thanks jak,
and i am looking... 
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| posted on February 21st, 2013 at 08:50 PM |
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I have done an EJ22 conversion into a Bay bus, and my mate Nut has done an EJ Turbo into a Bus.
It is good to know what you want as a goal to help provide info.
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| posted on February 21st, 2013 at 11:57 PM |
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13b is too big
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| posted on February 22nd, 2013 at 08:44 AM |
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Just curious what makes you say that?
physical size or power?
My 70 Beetle was 13B powered for almost 20 years.
a stock 13B is only making the same power as a stock EJ22 and less torque too.
Mine just had one of John Shermans fibreglass aprons with a cut in it near the decklid latch to clear the old fan hub, other than that no body mods
for engine fitment.
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| posted on February 22nd, 2013 at 09:18 AM |
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Hi
I think a 13B would be too big for NSW legal registration, not sure where turboty lives.
What does a Beetle weigh in at? I think 850 kg. The legal maximum motor size would then be (850 x 3 = 2550) 2550 cc a 13B is 2600 cc
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| posted on February 22nd, 2013 at 10:19 AM |
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I live in ACT, would a 12a turbo be good as I dont want to cut anything as this is a kit car...
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| posted on February 22nd, 2013 at 10:55 AM |
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Cheers Steve that makes more sense.
Mine was converted back in the 80s so who knows what the laws were like back then and I'm sure would not have been policed like they are now.
It was a 70 1500 beetle, they weighed in at 780kg from memory.
Tyler, you'll probbaly find a turbo rotary will be over the power to weight restriction in a vw/vw based kit car.
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| posted on February 23rd, 2013 at 09:43 AM |
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Power to weight restrictions??? LOL....a turbo EJ in a buggy is legal.
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| posted on February 23rd, 2013 at 09:45 AM |
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yep. it's legal. 
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| posted on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 AM |
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Power to weight restrictions??? LOL....a turbo EJ in a buggy is legal.
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Remember you're in QLD and we were talking rotaries not EJs
in a beetle at 850kg with a turbo engine the max engine size is 2.1L
so a turbo 12a may just sneak in, i forget the formula for a turbo engine on capacity to weight when it comes to rotaries.
Edit, here ya go straight from VSI 06
The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is the displacement of all rotors x2
so 12a rotary = 2.4L
All vehicles originally having an engine with up
to 4 cylinders or a rotary engine as the largest
optional engine and with a tare mass up to
1100kg
Normally aspirated
In millilitres (cc):
Original tare mass (kg) x 3.0
Supercharged or turbocharged:
In millilitres (cc):
Original tare mass (kg) x 2.5
so 850kg beetle x 2.5 = 2125cc
So no a turbo 12a would not be legal in a bug
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| posted on February 23rd, 2013 at 03:19 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Power to weight restrictions??? LOL....a turbo EJ in a buggy is legal.
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Remember you're in QLD and we were talking rotaries not EJs
in a beetle at 850kg with a turbo engine the max engine size is 2.1L
so a turbo 12a may just sneak in, i forget the formula for a turbo engine on capacity to weight when it comes to rotaries.
Edit, here ya go straight from VSI 06
The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is the displacement of all rotors x2
so 12a rotary = 2.4L
All vehicles originally having an engine with up
to 4 cylinders or a rotary engine as the largest
optional engine and with a tare mass up to
1100kg
Normally aspirated
In millilitres (cc):
Original tare mass (kg) x 3.0
Supercharged or turbocharged:
In millilitres (cc):
Original tare mass (kg) x 2.5
so 850kg beetle x 2.5 = 2125cc
So no a turbo 12a would not be legal in a bug
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You are THE MAN! This is what I wmant to know... cool, so I will look at the ej20t convert then...
Thanks
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| posted on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:03 PM |
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Hey Joel
Doesn't Wayne penrose have a massive type4 with a turbo that's street registered?
& hasn't his son? Just put a turbo on a 2.7l type 4 street registered beetle.?
How does that work?
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| posted on February 24th, 2013 at 01:44 AM |
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Hey Joel
Doesn't Wayne penrose have a massive type4 with a turbo that's street registered?
& hasn't his son? Just put a turbo on a 2.7l type 4 street registered beetle.?
How does that work?
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the certifing engineer doesnt do a displacement test so just goes off the engine number.
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Hey Joel
Doesn't Wayne penrose have a massive type4 with a turbo that's street registered?
& hasn't his son? Just put a turbo on a 2.7l type 4 street registered beetle.?
How does that work?
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possibly, got no idea what cars he's running at the moment but that peach cabrio with the turbo type 4 is 2L.
As Mac said though it can be any size inside engineers aren't gonna know.
As far as the RTA are concerned every type1 engine i had in my bug was 1584cc 
bit harder with the subi which has a giant EJ25 cast on top in plain view.
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One of the few things I like about driving in California. Once your car gets to be a certain age, you don't have to get them inspected anymore. You
can do whatever you like to them and the DMV could care less.
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One of the few things I like about driving in California. Once your car gets to be a certain age, you don't have to get them inspected anymore. You
can do whatever you like to them and the DMV could care less.
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