I had an unpleasant experience a few weeks ago which was generated from some forum posts and conflicting views that I dont care to rehash. The shorts of the story is that one 'CRAZY ' member decided that the way to go was to phone me and threaten me with a baseball bat!
Apart from the fact that he has never seen me ( I am 6 foot 4" and 120 kg and have played second row for the Australian Wallabies ) these were the actions and response you might expect from someone who was known to be 'CRAZY'.
This experience has got me thinking re the For Sale rules and the requirement to enter a phone number. I strongly feel ,as i know others do that this is poor practice and unnecessary, whats more can lead to guzumping where sales are poached from the first intrested posted reply.
If people choose to leave a phone number fair enough however an email and U2U should be sufficient if the seller so choses, after all it is in the sellers best intrests to comunicate.
I also recieved threatening U2Us and from the same forum member and nuisance posts on my for sales. I had to request my postings be deleted. We cant stop people being 'CRAZY ' but lets make it harder for them! Mitchell
23 windows ...8 too many!
If you are really a big boy, then let him bring it on.
He probably was full of shit, but what was his beef? Rough details will do.
As for the phone number, it is essential in my view to a smooth transaction.
Sometimes a simple phone call will save much wasted time in emails and visits when a seller is being a bit vague on details.
If you sell in the tradingpost you need a number, cant be worried about threats etc.
" You're not a team player "
totally agree, mitchell.
Simply Cruzin'...
Also, sometimes when you RING a seller you can immediately guage the type of person they are and if they are full of shit or not.
Or how good the stuff for sale is or isnt.
As for being gazumped by somebody who had the drive to ring up instead of doing the slow way, what is the problem?
Early bird gets the vw.
Security needs to be a concern, reverse phone lookups can be done and stuff can be stolen like this.
I like dealing over the phone, I'm quite happy to put my name and number out there and take my chances with people.
[Edited on 7-12-2004 by sax]
" You're not a team player "
Yep! he's a bigun alright1
Keeping it real !
In NSW if you sell a complete car you must advertise (by law) the minimum:
Your name (first name or recognised alias is all that is necessary)
Your phone number
Rego number (if registered)
VIN (if unregistered)
I was suggesting parts and that it be optional .Matt are you sure that this law applies to internet not papers? and what happens If I dont have my own phone?
Mitchell
23 windows ...8 too many!
i wanna see some one bigger than Mitch :bounce
Futue te ipsum!!!
Matt, boof 2332.m
(taller anyway)
[Edited on 7-12-2004 by waltermitty]
23 windows ...8 too many!
Matt are you sure that this law applies to internet not papers?
Yep, hot-rod internet HAD to put up the rules and the terms.
its no different then selling in the trading post really
[Edited on 7-12-2004 by frenzix]
Does it matter that the site isn't hosted in Australia?
It's the law, and it's the same as advertising in the Trading Post. The NSW regulations specifically apply to complete cars and are a part of the NSW trading laws.
I will talk to the other admins / forum moderators about relaxing things in Parts as I am reasonably certain we can then match eBay's T&C's.
Andrew
PS. If anyone threatens you on the forum - virtually or via phone, you can report them to the police and ask for an AVO to be taken out.
Also, immediately notify us, and we will investigate and ban people where appropriate, and check to see if they have made similar threats to other people on the forum. If you wish, we can preserve backups of relevant material for police investigations if a prosecution is likely (in fact, if you supena us, we have no choice, but I'm happy enough to comply as long as we don't violate anyone else's privacy).
Violence is unacceptable. I don't care if you're a second rower - no one deserves to be threatened even if they can handle themselves.
Andrew
Unfortunatley wackos and nut cases seem to be everywhere these days..
I put my number on a post as it said I had to, that's the rules so I followed 'em, but I see your point...
As for threats with a baseball bat, well, I've been a towie in the unregulated Perth Towing industry for a fair number of years. We class Baseball Bats as Tools of Trade, and are therefore a tax deduction...:P
Aluminium bats or classic timber?
" You're not a team player "
I prefer timber myself...
If anyone threatens you on the forum - virtually or via phone
Threats over the phone or the internet are a violation of the Telecomunications Act. A federal offence.
Feds are not nice when they are after you...
I'd much rather people U2U me. First U2U in gets the goods - simple.
Mitchell you sound small, James Fewtrell was 6'8".....:thumb Hopefully you know of James.
Squiz.....
i understand its the law but i get some random ppl ringing me at any hour, asking me about all sorts of shit, nothing ever threatening but i feel im being intruded upon, i ask how they know me they said they got my number off the forum on a sale post. i would only b too happy to answer emails and u2us asap if i wanted to sell somethign, and giv out my number to those serious about buying. but yeh, if its the law i guess its the law...
mitch u r the biggest man i know.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One man's junk...
Well duh.
"Hullo, Police? I'd like to take out an AVO against someone called "crazy" who lives on the internet".
Oh yes, that will work won't it.
IMHO phone numbers should only be handed out in private as part of a sale. Considering this is an internationally accessed forum and not a trading post, and that people don't pay money to advertise or access sellers NSW laws regardin this are unlikely to apply. On top of that if it's law in Karachi that sellers must wear a kilt whilst yodelling, following the current logic you'll have to enforce that too.
If it aint broke,
Make it go faster!!
HotRodMatt wrote:In NSW if you sell a complete car you must advertise (by law) the minimum:
Your name (first name or recognised alias is all that is necessary)
Your phone number
Rego number (if registered)
VIN (if unregistered)
Very true, we have rules for a reason. If you don't like it move to iraq and buy a gun.
Hey Mitch what were u selling ??
I'm stiill trying to picture a 6'4" 120kg footballer driving a Volkswagen..............:duh
Hey Bertie,
Theres plenty of room in the Kombi !!!! Come over and ill show you. Im an inch and a few kilos smaller tho but youll get the idea 🙂
Beetles are fine also !
Cheers
Scotty
I DONT THINK SOME PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ITS NO DIFFERENT THEN SELLING OVER THE TRADING POST.. Do you just put your email when selling in a paper?? grow up whoosebags and chuck your number up, your not that popular that people are going to call you asking you questions about dubs or for a date.
I wanna get asked for a date, see my 57 panel
except for you, whats your number by the way.
from your phone number people can get your home address if they have access to an upside down search, and a number of other means. This can lead to your precious VW being stolen or your house burgled.
I choose to use ebay to sell my VW stuff because of the rules here, which is fine. If someone sells something in the trading post they have a number and a suburb. ebay they have an email. trading post readers don't usually have a computer, ebay users don't bother with phones. welcome to the new world, adapt or suffer.
If it aint broke,
Make it go faster!!
good idea secoh... Use ebay if people dont wanna abide by the rules here.
