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waltermitty Legend when my beer goggles are on

1,993 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#276101
I had an unpleasant experience a few weeks ago which was generated from some forum posts and conflicting views that I dont care to rehash. The shorts of the story is that one 'CRAZY ' member decided that the way to go was to phone me and threaten me with a baseball bat!
Apart from the fact that he has never seen me ( I am 6 foot 4" and 120 kg and have played second row for the Australian Wallabies ) these were the actions and response you might expect from someone who was known to be 'CRAZY'.
This experience has got me thinking re the For Sale rules and the requirement to enter a phone number. I strongly feel ,as i know others do that this is poor practice and unnecessary, whats more can lead to guzumping where sales are poached from the first intrested posted reply.
If people choose to leave a phone number fair enough however an email and U2U should be sufficient if the seller so choses, after all it is in the sellers best intrests to comunicate.
I also recieved threatening U2Us and from the same forum member and nuisance posts on my for sales. I had to request my postings be deleted. We cant stop people being 'CRAZY ' but lets make it harder for them! Mitchell
23 windows ...8 too many!

sax Insano Dub Head

846 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#276108
If you are really a big boy, then let him bring it on.

He probably was full of shit, but what was his beef? Rough details will do.

As for the phone number, it is essential in my view to a smooth transaction.
Sometimes a simple phone call will save much wasted time in emails and visits when a seller is being a bit vague on details.

If you sell in the tradingpost you need a number, cant be worried about threats etc.
" You're not a team player "

twoguns simply aircooled

4,275 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·

#276109
totally agree, mitchell.
Simply Cruzin'...

sax Insano Dub Head

846 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#276110
Also, sometimes when you RING a seller you can immediately guage the type of person they are and if they are full of shit or not.
Or how good the stuff for sale is or isnt.
As for being gazumped by somebody who had the drive to ring up instead of doing the slow way, what is the problem?
Early bird gets the vw.

Security needs to be a concern, reverse phone lookups can be done and stuff can be stolen like this.

I like dealing over the phone, I'm quite happy to put my name and number out there and take my chances with people.

[Edited on 7-12-2004 by sax]
" You're not a team player "

silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#276111
Yep! he's a bigun alright1
Keeping it real !

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#276119
In NSW if you sell a complete car you must advertise (by law) the minimum:

Your name (first name or recognised alias is all that is necessary)
Your phone number
Rego number (if registered)
VIN (if unregistered)

waltermitty Legend when my beer goggles are on

1,993 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#276134
I was suggesting parts and that it be optional .Matt are you sure that this law applies to internet not papers? and what happens If I dont have my own phone?
Mitchell
23 windows ...8 too many!

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#276160
i wanna see some one bigger than Mitch :bounce
Futue te ipsum!!!

waltermitty Legend when my beer goggles are on

1,993 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#276172
Matt, boof 2332.m
(taller anyway)

[Edited on 7-12-2004 by waltermitty]
23 windows ...8 too many!

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#276180
Matt are you sure that this law applies to internet not papers?
Yep, hot-rod internet HAD to put up the rules and the terms.

frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#276185
its no different then selling in the trading post really

[Edited on 7-12-2004 by frenzix]
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andrewh Officially Full-On Dubber

284 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#276188
Does it matter that the site isn't hosted in Australia?

vanderaj Administrator a suffusion of yellow

3,130 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#276234
It's the law, and it's the same as advertising in the Trading Post. The NSW regulations specifically apply to complete cars and are a part of the NSW trading laws.

I will talk to the other admins / forum moderators about relaxing things in Parts as I am reasonably certain we can then match eBay's T&C's.

Andrew

vanderaj Administrator a suffusion of yellow

3,130 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#276235
PS. If anyone threatens you on the forum - virtually or via phone, you can report them to the police and ask for an AVO to be taken out.

Also, immediately notify us, and we will investigate and ban people where appropriate, and check to see if they have made similar threats to other people on the forum. If you wish, we can preserve backups of relevant material for police investigations if a prosecution is likely (in fact, if you supena us, we have no choice, but I'm happy enough to comply as long as we don't violate anyone else's privacy).

Violence is unacceptable. I don't care if you're a second rower - no one deserves to be threatened even if they can handle themselves.

Andrew

WABaja Call ME when you need a TOW

824 posts · joined Nov 2004 ·

#276247
Unfortunatley wackos and nut cases seem to be everywhere these days..
I put my number on a post as it said I had to, that's the rules so I followed 'em, but I see your point...
As for threats with a baseball bat, well, I've been a towie in the unregulated Perth Towing industry for a fair number of years. We class Baseball Bats as Tools of Trade, and are therefore a tax deduction...:P

sax Insano Dub Head

846 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#276265
Aluminium bats or classic timber?
" You're not a team player "

WABaja Call ME when you need a TOW

824 posts · joined Nov 2004 ·

#276269
I prefer timber myself...

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#276286
If anyone threatens you on the forum - virtually or via phone
Threats over the phone or the internet are a violation of the Telecomunications Act. A federal offence.

Feds are not nice when they are after you...

squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe

4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#276302
I'd much rather people U2U me. First U2U in gets the goods - simple.

Mitchell you sound small, James Fewtrell was 6'8".....:thumb Hopefully you know of James.

Squiz.....

VWFOOL King for a day, Fool for a lifetime.

3,436 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#276361
i understand its the law but i get some random ppl ringing me at any hour, asking me about all sorts of shit, nothing ever threatening but i feel im being intruded upon, i ask how they know me they said they got my number off the forum on a sale post. i would only b too happy to answer emails and u2us asap if i wanted to sell somethign, and giv out my number to those serious about buying. but yeh, if its the law i guess its the law...

mitch u r the biggest man i know.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One man's junk...

Secoh Fahrvergnugen

926 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#276364
Well duh.

"Hullo, Police? I'd like to take out an AVO against someone called "crazy" who lives on the internet".

Oh yes, that will work won't it.

IMHO phone numbers should only be handed out in private as part of a sale. Considering this is an internationally accessed forum and not a trading post, and that people don't pay money to advertise or access sellers NSW laws regardin this are unlikely to apply. On top of that if it's law in Karachi that sellers must wear a kilt whilst yodelling, following the current logic you'll have to enforce that too.
If it aint broke,
Make it go faster!!

VWFREAK VWFREAK

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#276365
HotRodMatt wrote:In NSW if you sell a complete car you must advertise (by law) the minimum:

Your name (first name or recognised alias is all that is necessary)
Your phone number
Rego number (if registered)
VIN (if unregistered)
Very true, we have rules for a reason. If you don't like it move to iraq and buy a gun.

bertie_beetle Wolfsburg Wizard

446 posts · joined Aug 2004 ·

#276385
I'm stiill trying to picture a 6'4" 120kg footballer driving a Volkswagen..............:duh

scooter Seriously Crusin Dubber

172 posts · joined Aug 2003 ·

#276389
Hey Bertie,

Theres plenty of room in the Kombi !!!! Come over and ill show you. Im an inch and a few kilos smaller tho but youll get the idea 🙂

Beetles are fine also !

Cheers

Scotty

frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#276450
I DONT THINK SOME PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ITS NO DIFFERENT THEN SELLING OVER THE TRADING POST.. Do you just put your email when selling in a paper?? grow up whoosebags and chuck your number up, your not that popular that people are going to call you asking you questions about dubs or for a date.
www.nkcrew.com.au

frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#276457
except for you, whats your number by the way.
www.nkcrew.com.au

Secoh Fahrvergnugen

926 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#276459
from your phone number people can get your home address if they have access to an upside down search, and a number of other means. This can lead to your precious VW being stolen or your house burgled.

I choose to use ebay to sell my VW stuff because of the rules here, which is fine. If someone sells something in the trading post they have a number and a suburb. ebay they have an email. trading post readers don't usually have a computer, ebay users don't bother with phones. welcome to the new world, adapt or suffer.
If it aint broke,
Make it go faster!!

frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#276465
good idea secoh... Use ebay if people dont wanna abide by the rules here.
www.nkcrew.com.au