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MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard

591 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#383610
Hi all im building a type 4 for my baja there are two things i would like to do one is 76mm c/w crank stroker rods and a set of 103mm pistons and barrels that will make it a 2553cc or i was going to do the 103mms on standard stroke c/w what im trying to get at is that no body that i have met has build one this big and what i would like to know is there anything i should look out for and some problems i may enconter etc pic's would also be good
thnks tim
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't

11CAB If ya got it....Baja it

4,674 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#383615
Wayne Penrose builds big type4 motors....try him
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4,674 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#383626
Felco wrote:Hope you dont have kids OR A home loan OR A wife OR rent OR bla bla bla bla.
Man that sucker will cost HEAPS wont it ? Nice specs Timbo!
Nah Tim doesnt have any of those.......or a life either....
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68 Country Buggy (KO 367)
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68 Country Buggy (KO 789)
68 Country Buggy (KO 815)
68 Baja Bug
76 Baja Kombi Twincab

toplessbug Fahrvergnugen

879 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#383654
all the info is posted on aircooled .net very informative if you wanna save some bucks try /www.type4parts.com/cat_type_2.cfm
i was going down a similar path 78x103 but fell into the subi trap

MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard

591 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#383658
it may cost a bit but dam its going to be fun
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#383684
get in contact with Richard at V Force

The 76 x 103 is the expensive way.

His prefered beast is the 66x103 = 2.3??L beast
A free revving wonder that is not too dear to build.

Either u2u Alex Holzl or www.beetleracing.com
Futue te ipsum!!!

Boozer Demented But Determined

1,999 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#383760
toplessbug wrote:all the info is posted on aircooled .net very informative if you wanna save some bucks try /www.type4parts.com/cat_type_2.cfm
i was going down a similar path 78x103 but fell into the subi trap
i've heard some bad stuff about type4parts.com on the net. I'd try type4store.com instead.
THe MC Bat Commander's motto: "Never do now, what you could do for 24 hours straight, all night, the night before."

Wag67 Wolfsburg Wizard

469 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#383820
also try conti engines on Bribie Island and he builds them and is now building vw motors for ultralights
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mnsKmobi Wolfsburg Wizard

589 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#383880
Re: www.type4parts.com

Check out the following and draw your own conclusions:

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=81989

From aircooled.net referring to their 103/105mm p&c kits:

"These work well IF you use a copper head gasket, and aren't crazy with compression and power. Comes with wrist pins. BTW, that's a quarter in the picture! :-D
103s (consider them a 105 thick wall) are the standard for performance and reliability. That's 2.7L of power with an 80mm crank! These use J & E FORGED pistons. 5th studding is recommended, but milder engines can get by (with the copper head gasket) without it."

Oh, and these kits would be over AU$1000 landed in Oz!

Jeza Officially Full-On Dubber

353 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#383881
From what I've read the 103's are liked by some and dislike by others. Apparently the big bore makes it more prone to warping.

The type4store.com will sell you a set of Nickies in this size but they are very expensive, although they'd probably last forever!

If you want to go really big perhaps use a bigger stroke on 96mm pistons/ cylinders.

Have a read around the type4rum http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewforum.php?f=1

Cheers
Jeremy
......random gibberish for today.......

jvl054 Wolfsburg Wizard

403 posts · joined May 2005 ·

#383890
Either way you go with a type 4 you will have to sell a leg all a arm.VForce best to talk to for a 2L.For your money to hp i would be maybe talk to some of the buggy blokes on this forum who are using Ej22 subie motors.JVLRacing

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#384013
Bizarre wrote:get in contact with Richard at V Force

The 76 x 103 is the expensive way.

His prefered beast is the 66x103 = 2.3??L beast
A free revving wonder that is not too dear to build.

Either u2u Alex Holzl or www.beetleracing.com

That can't be right:o....SHORT STROKE and BIG BORE is their prefered beast??????..........sounds familiar:kiss has someone finally learnt something ???amazing how the tide turns:thumb

And JVL...........shove ya subie up your arse :repuke... some people still want to be VW powered.

GO the Type4 :thumb

Have a chat with Stan Pobjoy or Wayne Penrose.nn[ Edited on 13-7-2005 by Craig Torrens ]


Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#384014
Craig Torrens wrote:That can't be right:o....SHORT STROKE and BIG BORE is they're prefered beast??????.........sounds familiar:kiss amazing how the tide turns:thumb
Craig

rather than talk in riddles "please explain" what you mean.

I have seen several of Richards 2.3L's and this is what they are.

yes - he has/is building some 2.7 strokers but the cost of the crank and availability is $$$.

yes - he tells me he prefers the 66 over the 71.
Futue te ipsum!!!

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#384019
:jesus.............................Short stroke and Big Bore.

Good to see someone else other than Stan Pobjoy realising the short stroke/ big bore option is the way to achieve a free revving engine.nn[ Edited on 10-8-2005 by Craig Torrens ]


NigeType3 Officially Full-On Dubber

371 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#384033
Jake Raby is doing complete engine kits now.
Everything there ready for you to boltup and at different garanteed HP levels.
Not cheep but then this stuff aint.

Jeza Officially Full-On Dubber

353 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#384053
Perhaps the free reving isn't so beneficial in a baja?

I don't know how beneficial it would be in a daily driver either, I like to be able to put my foot down and pull away from low revs.

Definately can see its advantages for what you do with it though Craig.

Cheers
Jeremy
......random gibberish for today.......

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#384068
with 2.3lt I'm sure you can still put your foot down and pull away😵


MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard

591 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#384090
...........shove ya subie up your arse :repuke... some people still want to be VW powered.

GO the Type4 :thumb

Im really starting to like this guy very well worded and one of the main reasons im building this is to stick it to the subies

The guy i was going to get the stuff of is www.bergmannracing.com is well know and i have herd great things about his engine parts i just don't know what to go with standard stroke or stroker, standard stroke would be easyer to build, i don't wan't win dyno days i just want somthing that will pull a tree out of the ground at idle and really move when you plant it so i have to find out what will do this. and is it really that expensive cause i look at the us prices and there cheap and getting them here can't be that bad nn[ Edited on 13-7-2005 by MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? ]
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#384119
MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? wrote:The guy i was going to get the stuff of is www.bergmannracing.com is well know and i have herd great things about his engine parts

hmmmmm not on STF or the other places i visit.

I dont think he is as bad as GEX and a few others but i certainly wouldnt be sending $$$ overseas to him.

I wouldnt mind hearing the good things you have heard. I have seen one of his full circle T4 cranks and it was quite good, but as for his coloured motors i can give first hand opinion just the flack from thr other sites
Futue te ipsum!!!

toplessbug Fahrvergnugen

879 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#384142
dont take my post the wrong way ,i would love to be t4 powered BUT my bus will be a tow vehicle for the boat and will also have to contend with the camping gear as well ,so after talking to jake raby he said a powerstroke would do admirably it has 92 hp and140ft/lb of torque the suby has132hp and160ft/lb so thats that.i know its not t4 but to get a reliable one to tow my boat bris to daintree 2times a year and not get hot thru summer, which is the only time to fish up there, and maintain a good speed is close to impossible without nickies and they are around 6k landed here ,then i need a crank and heads and inj and a case cause the million milers are ratshit and so it goes .honest i would dearly love to be t4 powered but its not practicle richard also suggested the 66x103 to me but i need stump pulling torque and i cant see where it will come from with such an oversquare motor even with a big rod ratio

MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard

591 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#384209
my brian is now smoking i have heard good things about his engine parts but not his engine builds so i don't know anymore
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't

jvl054 Wolfsburg Wizard

403 posts · joined May 2005 ·

#384254
Craig Torrens wrote:
Bizarre wrote:get in contact with Richard at V Force

The 76 x 103 is the expensive way.

His prefered beast is the 66x103 = 2.3??L beast
A free revving wonder that is not too dear to build.

Either u2u Alex Holzl or www.beetleracing.com

That can't be right:o....SHORT STROKE and BIG BORE is their prefered beast??????..........sounds familiar:kiss has someone finally learnt something ???amazing how the tide turns:thumb

And JVL...........shove ya subie up your arse :repuke... some people still want to be VW powered.

GO the Type4 :thumb

Have a chat with Stan Pobjoy or Wayne Penrose.nn[ Edited on 13-7-2005 by Craig Torrens ]
Craig read what i wrote!!! not whats up your arse....Mud talk to VForce he will help you ,If you want to kick some arse get Alex Dieter all Richard to take you for a spin in a car with a type 4.This will make up your mind deffently.JVLRacing

Dasdubber DAS Resto Haus

5,746 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#384399
Why must a thread asking specific questions about the build of a particular engine combo (whether it is YOUR preferred type/combo or not) degenerate into the old 1916 vs stroker vs suby arguement that we've all heard before.

I welcome and encourage open discussion that is on topic, but it would be nice to get back onto answering mudbashing's question/s.

Having had a type IV built recently (a mild 2L at that) I can concur that the cost is higher than a comparable type I build - but this is something you already know. There is a lot of valuable info on www.shoptalkforums.com in the type4rum and aircooledtechnology forum re. large piston size and sealing issues (head particularly and/or case). I wish I could give you first hand info re. intricacies of a big type IV build but I don't have that experience. I remember reading about a 3L type IV thread on aircooledtechnology forum that Jake Raby built - that may have some decent info.

Cheers
Alan 👍
www.dasrestoparts.com.au

MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard

591 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#384610
i have seen that 3l type4 video cilp and that thing goes
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't

MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard

591 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#385656
So does anyone know where to get these copper heads gaskets for standard size and 103s
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't

MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard

591 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#386277
Thanks
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't

dubbill Officially Full-On Dubber

336 posts · joined Jul 2005 ·

#394423
search out john alder from volksengineering i know for a fact that volksengineering WAS building awsome t4 units that have graced a lucky few in bris i have only HEARD good things about this guy and his passion for perf bill flocke just imported a 2.4 from the states and has utalised johns exhaust system in his set up i also have after much reasearch gone the subie route hey if money is no option go the toureg mtr!!👍