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mscabrio Cabriolet Queen

2,308 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#492958
My 74 beetle doesn't seem to like turning corners, she groans and complains, coughs and splutters when asked to corner (even in 1st gear!) and if the corner is really tight she shuts down completly and refuses to start until she is straight.....

Does anyone know why she is being so so naughty?
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oval TOFU Bitte, ein Bit!

2,946 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#492962
Jane still giving you the $h!t$ huh?

fuel starvation? (sounds unlikely) - blocked fuel lines, check the carby float and needle and seat.
a loose wire that moves when the G-forces from the cornering affect it?
...and Robert's ya father's brother...

mscabrio Cabriolet Queen

2,308 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#492965
Yeah I think thats what her issues were on the night of the Dandenong cruise, but she is starting to get a bit worse
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blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#492967
Was gonna drive her to work this morning with the hope of looking at it but man it was cold and too damn foggy ... so i took my subi instead....
hope to have a look at it tomorrow and make sure its not sumfin stoopid going on.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#493006
I have heard this happening before...

One was the coil High tension lead shorting out.... and stopping the engine...

Once the RAC man had checked everything in the engine bay, and moved the HT coil lead, the car went again until it shorted out again...

2nd one, the condensor was open circuiting ...
Screw was loose.. I would check all electrics...

3rd One, was a bit of gunk floating in the carburetor and blocking the jets...

Best of Luck....
I wish You lived local...
I would love to troubleshoot this problem...

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

oval TOFU Bitte, ein Bit!

2,946 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#493009
68AutoBug wrote:I would love to troubleshoot this problem...

Lee
You freak Lee.... :kiss
...and Robert's ya father's brother...

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#493010
was thinking the same thing chris.... lol...
but thanks Lee... will check her over tomorrow and see if things are loose...

thanks again for the advice.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

bond Veteran Volks Folk

2,456 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#493033
thats what vdubbing is all about - togetherness - helping each other out

should be more of it i say

im thinking its not a fuel line blockage as such unless there is before an inline filter for example - id go straight to the fuel pump or a blockage in the carb - maybe oxidization in the float chamber? blocked jet?

nick

phil Seriously Crusin Dubber

128 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#493039
i'm wondering if she's "bogging down"...running way too rich
has it got worse in the cold weather? maybe related to choke or choke stuck closed?
too lean in idle circuit and you get backfiring down low..right?
too rich in idle cicuit get choking down low and stall....if you slip the clutch and keep the revs up does it go round the corner ok?

bond Veteran Volks Folk

2,456 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#493040
i like the avatar phil - nice bug:thumb

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#493216
Helbus wrote:Is there a nut loose behind the wheel 🤪

hahahaha... yep
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#493217
phil wrote:i'm wondering if she's "bogging down"...running way too rich
has it got worse in the cold weather? maybe related to choke or choke stuck closed?
no choke. but does it when both cold and warm.
phil wrote:too lean in idle circuit and you get backfiring down low..right?
no backfiring when warm. idles really smooth and drives smooth in straight line.
phil wrote:too rich in idle cicuit get choking down low and stall....if you slip the clutch and keep the revs up does it go round the corner ok?
when cold i have to slip the clutch and rev to keep from stalling... when warm its like it has a flat spot in carb as it tries to die when cornering but if you floor it then it will pull out of the corner and not play up. gentle acceleration will cause it to cough and splutter.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#493235
ok.. i had a quick check of all things electrical and nothing seems loose... i removed the connectors from the coil and reconnected to make sure everything was tight.. the fuel line going to the pump has no filter in it so will have to put one in.
The carbie does not look standard so am unsure as to the type.
Does anyone know what is the standard carb for a 1300 for a 1974 beetle?
I was told by the previous owner that it has no choke on it.
Does this point to the problem being in the carbie?
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

BiX Veteran Volks Folk

2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#493240
does it do it both on left and right corners?

Could something at the front be squashing a fuel line?

If its happening 1 way and not the other i would say loose wire, if its happening both ways...... thinking maybe carby?
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
Go hard or go home!!!!

bond Veteran Volks Folk

2,456 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#493241
"the fuel line going to the pump has no filter"

answers itself.... blockage in pump more than likely as previously stated - has similar issues but with dual carbs.

see how you go

nick

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#493266
But there is always fuel in the carburetor fuel bowl to keep the engine going for a few minutes...
normally... unless the float isn't working properly and there isn't enough fuel in the fuel bowl at all times...

The carby should be a SOLEX 30 PICT 2 or 31 PICT 3 or 4
a dirty carburetor can make driving very difficult.. especially if the accellerator pump isn't working properly..

What air filter are You using? its not blocked or partially blocked?? oil can go up the breather hose...

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

mscabrio Cabriolet Queen

2,308 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#493687
blutopless2 wrote:
Helbus wrote:Is there a nut loose behind the wheel 🤪

hahahaha... yep
I will choose to ignore this!!!! :vader:vader:vader
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mscabrio Cabriolet Queen

2,308 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#493688
68AutoBug wrote:Best of Luck....
I wish You lived local...
I would love to troubleshoot this problem...

Lee

Northern NSW is not really that far away at all ..........
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#493770
mscabrio wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:Best of Luck....
I wish You lived local...
I would love to troubleshoot this problem...

Lee

Northern NSW is not really that far away at all ..........
It IS if You can't turn corners....:P:P:P:P

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

koolkarmakombi enkarmarising

2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#493810
MSnursey, check the plug at the bottom of the steering column surround at dash level. Had the same prob and as I turned the wheel it loaded the column and caused intermittant cutting in and out. Drove me mad 'til I found it.

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blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494117
thanks for all the tips peoples.. much appreciated... :thumb

i was speaking to a mechanic yesterday about the problems and he also suggested looking at the fuel line from the bottom of the tank to make sure when the wheel turned it was not squishing the hose in the suspension etc... i will try a few things after work...
i guess if i let it idle and then turn the wheel it will tell me if it is choking the line.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

oval TOFU Bitte, ein Bit!

2,946 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#494118
even if it was crushing the line, it wouldn't cut in and out - there should be enough fuel in the carby float... good suggestion though..
good luck
...and Robert's ya father's brother...

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#494121
68AutoBug wrote:But there is always fuel in the carburetor fuel bowl to keep the engine going for a few minutes...
normally... unless the float isn't working properly and there isn't enough fuel in the fuel bowl at all times...

The carby should be a SOLEX 30 PICT 2 or 31 PICT 3 or 4
a dirty carburetor can make driving very difficult.. especially if the accellerator pump isn't working properly..

What air filter are You using? its not blocked or partially blocked?? oil can go up the breather hose...

Lee
If the tank has been out, its a common fault to bend the hose going into the tank.... but the engine will keep going until the bowl runs out of fuel.... which is a few minutes....
Another thought.... open circuit...
ignition wire coming off the fuse box....
the connection would have to be loose to do this...
back to electrical again.... either behind the dash or in the engine bay.... or as someone said... under the steering column....

getting closer......:P:P:P:P

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

oval TOFU Bitte, ein Bit!

2,946 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#494122
I'd be more inclided to think electrical too...

You're loving this, ain't ya Lee?! 😍
...and Robert's ya father's brother...

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494162
thanks.. will check more tonight.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#494176
oval TOFU wrote:I'd be more inclided to think electrical too...

You're loving this, ain't ya Lee?! 😍
I sure do....
I've always been lucky at troubleshooting faults with engines... especially beetle engines....

Keeps the old brain going too....

I don't suppose the coil or the distributor wants to be bright Yellow ??? so they are playing up ??? :P:P:P:P:P


Lee

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squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe

4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#494188
It's not a vacuum problem is it? A slight vacuum leak that when on partial opening is apparent, but when on acceleration goes away? Does it chug in 4th doing 60kmh?

squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe

4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#494190
Is your fuel gauge accurate? Has it got enough benzina?