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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

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#814465
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

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#814470
71-BEETLE-SEDAN wrote:If it wanted to get a bigger engine would i be better off building my own, eg buying parts and putting them toget or would i be better of buying a turnkey one.

What are the best increases, like cylinder wall thicknesses etc. I just wanna know a rough price on each one as well.

I want to use it as a daily so no wild fuel guzzling carbs and something with enought tourqe to pull a snall boat out of the water but enough top end to cruise at 110-120kms without being super loud. And i wanna be able to do some burnouts. And must have straight cut gears, love that wine.

Cheers, if this isnt in the right spot please move it.

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zayus Wolfsburg Wizard

437 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#836888
71-BEETLE-SEDAN wrote:I want to use it as a daily so no wild fuel guzzling carbs and something with enought tourqe to pull a snall boat out of the water but enough top end to cruise at 110-120kms without being super loud. And i wanna be able to do some burnouts. And must have straight cut gears, love that wine.
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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#836922
71-BEETLE-SEDAN wrote:If it wanted to get a bigger engine would i be better off building my own, eg buying parts and putting them toget or would i be better of buying a turnkey one.

What are the best increases, like cylinder wall thicknesses etc. I just wanna know a rough price on each one as well.

I want to use it as a daily so no wild fuel guzzling carbs and something with enought tourqe to pull a snall boat out of the water but enough top end to cruise at 110-120kms without being super loud. And i wanna be able to do some burnouts. And must have straight cut gears, love that wine.

Cheers, if this isnt in the right spot please move it.

Hi Josh,

some big asks there....

Firstly, I would not spend all that money on parts and then maybe assembly it incorrectly... or one part incorrectly.. like oil pickup etc.. Best to buy one from an expert engine builder..

Burn outs require some horsepower so probably a 1776 engine would do the trick... or larger and more expensive..

but remember, that once You move away from a 1600 standard engine , everything gets very expensive the larger You go....
and soon doubles or triples in price... and will probably use a lot of fuel...

I am happy with My 1600 single port engine even though it has the semi auto gearbox and no clutch pedal.. lol
single Brasilan weber carby.. Genie extractor exhaust system.
165 x 15 tyres..

I can only spin the wheels on gravel or grass... lol
but I can drive out on the highway at 120kmh ...
[but only between the hours of 2am and 4am... lol ,
so I'm told... 😂]

late Super beetle gearboxes have a higher diff ratio etc.. so they are used for highway cars usually... but a lower diff ratio will give You better acceleration... You need to pick one??
Lower diff ratio means higher RPM at highway speeds..

check out a few of the advertisers in VWMA magazine...

like Gary at VW classic volkswagen at Kirawee in NSW
www.veedubclassic.com.au 0295215333
there are plenty of others in the Magazine too...

cheers

LEE

PS: I don't know Gary...

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cam070 Custom Title Time!

1,332 posts · joined Jul 2009 ·

#837902
If building a streetable 1916, are there any other parts outside of the motor that need to be beefed up?

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#837913
gear box, brakes for a start.
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#837918
Comes down to how you drive, but I would cetainly upgrade the way the gearbox is mounted as a min. Look at using quality gearbox mounts, a bellhousing strap of some kind and a 'mid mount' to support the gearbox. If you intend to use tyres with good grip, then you should also fit a K Bar kit for reinforcing the forks and also a tramp bar kit as the better tyres will cause "tramping" on launching away from lights etc

Make sure the gearbox is in good condition, and if you intend to do drag starts or you're aggresive with launches then I would fit a super diff.

As for brakes, make sure you have discs fitted up front if the car is an early model.

Depending on the HP level of the motor you will also need larger fuel lines and an electric fuel pump and regulator.

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silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#837922
Craig Torrens wrote:you should also fit a K Bar kit for reinforcing the forks and also a tramp bar kit
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Where can one get these???😂
Keeping it real !

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#837925
silver wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:you should also fit a K Bar kit for reinforcing the forks and also a tramp bar kit
👍
Where can one get these???😂
Maybe a swap meet ? !😂


silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#837930
Craig Torrens wrote:
silver wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:you should also fit a K Bar kit for reinforcing the forks and also a tramp bar kit
👍
Where can one get these???😂
Maybe a swap meet ? !😂
surely not, could a business afford to attend one?
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Newt Wolfsburg Wizard

478 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#845354
Lee,

Where does the yellow vacume line go?

Cheers

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barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#845359
68AutoBug wrote:late Super beetle gearboxes have a higher diff ratio etc.. so they are used for highway cars usually... but a lower diff ratio will give You better acceleration... You need to pick one??
Lower diff ratio means higher RPM at highway speeds..
actually the later boxes have a lower diff ratio lee.
when they went from the double side plate to single side plate they went from 4.125 to 3.88
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Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 ·

#845384
barls wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:late Super beetle gearboxes have a higher diff ratio etc.. so they are used for highway cars usually... but a lower diff ratio will give You better acceleration... You need to pick one??
Lower diff ratio means higher RPM at highway speeds..
actually the later boxes have a lower diff ratio lee.
when they went from the double side plate to single side plate they went from 4.125 to 3.88





Hey Barls
🤪3.88 is a taller ratio than 4.125🤖
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#845388
😂😂😂

He He....lower in number-higher in ratio... get's em every time !!!!😁
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Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#845394
The part hardly anyone seems to realize though is at the same time they dropped 4th gear back from 0.89 to 0.92 to compensate for the diff change.

I've had both a 4.125 and a 3.88 box in my bug and the difference in 4th gear is only about 50rpm.

They both cruise almost bang on 3000rpm at 100km/h with stock size tyres.

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64vwmark Fahrvergnugen

930 posts · joined Dec 2004 ·

#872584
I'm going 2332cc with my new buggy motor.

Rima case CNC machined
84mm forged chromoly C/W Scat crank
94mm Wiseco forged pistons
Mahle cylinders
Scat H beam rods
Scat C95 cam
CB lightweight lifters
44 x 37.5 Wedgeport heads
1.25 rockers
Bosch 019 Distributor
Dual 44 IDF Webers with matchported manifolds


26mm Schadek oil pump set up for full flow


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74 L Beetle
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66doubledoor Seriously Crusin Dubber

144 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·

#891591
would you need to run an electric fuel pump with this or is std ok thanks
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SunshineKarmann Casual Dubber

34 posts · joined Dec 2008 ·

#936569
1916 wrote:Aluminium case
69mm forged counterweighted crank
fk8 cam
Cb super race rods 5.5" (these are th h beams)
1.4 rockers
94mm b (Stroker) piston and barrell kit
aluminium pushrods
aircooled.net L6 (drd) ported heads with 42x37.5 valves
9.5:1 compression
microtech injection (or something similar) perhaps using injection perfection throttle bodies.

that would be the main parts used for the 1916 i would like to build.

should make good power and hopefully rev to 7500
One suggestion for you. Get yourself a stroker crank, say 76 or 78mm. If you are buying all that other great gear, may as well step it up a bit. Besides, the heads sound like they can suck and blow heaps through those bigger ports. Forget the 1916, over 2.0 litres would be real nice.

pyoties bro Slammed & Awesome Dubber

84 posts · joined Feb 2012 ·

#1034090
what sort if deck height should one strive for on a bigger engine e.g a 1776 or 2332 etc??

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12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#1034093
40 thou - 1mm
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pyoties bro Slammed & Awesome Dubber

84 posts · joined Feb 2012 ·

#1034095
so just the standard tolerance is ok?

pyoties bro Slammed & Awesome Dubber

84 posts · joined Feb 2012 ·

#1034125
thanks. 🙂